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I have been a Linux user for more than a decade - recently switched to OpenBSD and I must say I agree. Linux has become a chaotic place to be, I agree.

oneanddone 8y ago
Quite. Especially now with their hideous CoC. That thing is straight out of the pits of PC hell. Many people think Linus will never again assume command now that he's stepped down for his so-called infractions. Gone now is the merit-based stuff and now it's all based on PC garbage. I miss the old days of IT, especially now.
tinuninu 8y ago
This means nothing to me. Can you be more specific why /Linux has become a chaotic place to be/.
- oneanddone 8y ago
  Not OP, but I will offer my thoughts. Linux is terribly balkanized what with all the competing distros. There are no standards. This is one reason why Linux has not taken off on the desktop outside of tech circles. systemd. It violates almost every *nix tenet out there, especially "a program should do one thing well". It's has a few benefits, but the negatives outweigh these, namely more and more programs outside of the base system now require systemd. This should never be. I and millions of others agree that an init system should be able to be tweaked as text files. Not happening now. The logs are stored as binaries when they should be plain text. Debugging is more difficult. A program should do one thing well. Full stop. There is always BSD and Slackware, and I don't think Slackware will adopt systemd, as their user base doesn't want it. Slackware is the oldest currently-developed Linux distro out there and the vast majority of users want it to remain true to its roots while still advancing.
  - a7776f88862 8y ago
    There is also GNU Shepherd[1] on GuixSD[2], a declarative init system, without systemd's million-plus lines of shitty code[3] and massive scope creep into everything that you can (but probably don't need or want to) do on a computer. [1] https://www.gnu.org/software/shepherd/ https://www.gnu.org/software/shepherd/ [2] https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/guix.html https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/guix.html [3] https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/general-discussion/998562-systemd-breached-one-million-lines-of-code-in-2017 https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/general-discu...

oneanddone 8y ago

Quite. Especially now with their hideous CoC. That thing is straight out of the pits of PC hell. Many people think Linus will never again assume command now that he's stepped down for his so-called infractions. Gone now is the merit-based stuff and now it's all based on PC garbage. I miss the old days of IT, especially now.

tinuninu 8y ago

This means nothing to me. Can you be more specific why /Linux has become a chaotic place to be/.

oneanddone 8y ago
Not OP, but I will offer my thoughts. Linux is terribly balkanized what with all the competing distros. There are no standards. This is one reason why Linux has not taken off on the desktop outside of tech circles. systemd. It violates almost every *nix tenet out there, especially "a program should do one thing well". It's has a few benefits, but the negatives outweigh these, namely more and more programs outside of the base system now require systemd. This should never be. I and millions of others agree that an init system should be able to be tweaked as text files. Not happening now. The logs are stored as binaries when they should be plain text. Debugging is more difficult. A program should do one thing well. Full stop. There is always BSD and Slackware, and I don't think Slackware will adopt systemd, as their user base doesn't want it. Slackware is the oldest currently-developed Linux distro out there and the vast majority of users want it to remain true to its roots while still advancing.
- a7776f88862 8y ago
  There is also GNU Shepherd[1] on GuixSD[2], a declarative init system, without systemd's million-plus lines of shitty code[3] and massive scope creep into everything that you can (but probably don't need or want to) do on a computer. [1] https://www.gnu.org/software/shepherd/ https://www.gnu.org/software/shepherd/ [2] https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/guix.html https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/guix.html [3] https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/general-discussion/998562-systemd-breached-one-million-lines-of-code-in-2017 https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/general-discu...