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> The turnaround of restaurants and bars here is amazingly fast. When one fails, another one springs up. The same street will have very different storefronts ea

> The turnaround of restaurants and bars here is amazingly fast. When one fails, another one springs up. The same street will have very different storefronts each year. Is that supposed to be a positive thing? Sounds pretty unstable and a terrible detriment to developing an actual neighbourhood.

addicted 8y ago
Not generally. The good stuff will stick around. The stuff that isn’t as good wont. Most cities are about change, and while nostalgia is great, cities that look the same as they did 20 years previously usually are not successful cities. The reason is simple. Cities tend to attract younger folks. As the generation of people they attract changes, the tastes they need to cater to also changes.
- achileas 8y ago
  Timespan matters. If businesses repeatedly don't do well, yes you get your 'fun' upper middle class variety, but the people trying to get a foothold and start businesses will fail and, with the lack of a real safety net, likely not open up further businesses. If that becomes the majority of small business owners in an area, wave goodbye to your 'fun' variety, small businesses, and hello to becoming Cleveland. I'm lucky that when my family came to America, it was still possible (and, more importantly, probable) to open a small business and build enough up to send your kids to college, expand your business, etc. Now, in order to be successful, you have to buy the property your shop is in too as a hedge against a downturn in business (more important in places with seasons when foot traffic declines), which reduces opportunity to entrepreneurs with fewer resources.
- bpicolo 8y ago
  > The stuff that isn’t as good wont Tons of good stuff closes in Manhattan.
  - malandrew 8y ago
    San Francisco too. Three of my favorite restaurants closed in the last year.
- boomlinde 8y ago
  > Not generally. The good stuff will stick around. The stuff that isn’t as good wont. Only to the extent that good and profitable overlap.
aylmao 8y ago
+1. And not only businesses, people are also changing apartments all the time.
bluGill 8y ago
So long as there is someplace to eat it is a good thing: you get more variety without having to go far. The neighborhood doesn't need any specific restaurant or bar, it just needs some
aboodman 8y ago
I lived there for years and loved it. It makes for an incredibly vibrant neighborhood feel. Everytime you go for a walk there's someplace new to stop. Yes, lots of places don't make it, but lots of places do make it and stick around for awhile.
- da02 8y ago
  What are some stores, companies, or brands that seem to survive and thrive?
  - lazerpants 8y ago
    Depends on neighborhood, but generally: Duane Reade, CVS, Chase Bank, Starbucks, Kennedy Fried Chicken, Dunkin Donuts.
  - aboodman 8y ago
    I just looked and here are some of my ex-regular haunts from ~16 years ago that are still kicking: https://www.yelp.com/biz/japonica-new-york-2 https://www.yelp.com/biz/japonica-new-york-2 https://www.yelp.com/biz/irving-farm-coffee-roasters-new-york-19 https://www.yelp.com/biz/irving-farm-coffee-roasters-new-yor... https://www.yelp.com/biz/musical-box-new-york https://www.yelp.com/biz/musical-box-new-york https://www.yelp.com/biz/venieros-new-york-2 https://www.yelp.com/biz/venieros-new-york-2 https://www.yelp.com/biz/cafe-mogador-new-york https://www.yelp.com/biz/cafe-mogador-new-york :: shrug ::
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w0m 8y ago
>Is that supposed to be a positive thing? Sounds pretty unstable and a terrible detriment to developing an actual neighbourhood. Nationwide, 90 to 95% of restaurants fail in the first year. Not to say NYC isn't worse, but it's more noticeable when it's that dense.
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addicted 8y ago

Not generally. The good stuff will stick around. The stuff that isn’t as good wont. Most cities are about change, and while nostalgia is great, cities that look the same as they did 20 years previously usually are not successful cities. The reason is simple. Cities tend to attract younger folks. As the generation of people they attract changes, the tastes they need to cater to also changes.

achileas 8y ago
Timespan matters. If businesses repeatedly don't do well, yes you get your 'fun' upper middle class variety, but the people trying to get a foothold and start businesses will fail and, with the lack of a real safety net, likely not open up further businesses. If that becomes the majority of small business owners in an area, wave goodbye to your 'fun' variety, small businesses, and hello to becoming Cleveland. I'm lucky that when my family came to America, it was still possible (and, more importantly, probable) to open a small business and build enough up to send your kids to college, expand your business, etc. Now, in order to be successful, you have to buy the property your shop is in too as a hedge against a downturn in business (more important in places with seasons when foot traffic declines), which reduces opportunity to entrepreneurs with fewer resources.
bpicolo 8y ago
> The stuff that isn’t as good wont Tons of good stuff closes in Manhattan.
- malandrew 8y ago
  San Francisco too. Three of my favorite restaurants closed in the last year.
boomlinde 8y ago
> Not generally. The good stuff will stick around. The stuff that isn’t as good wont. Only to the extent that good and profitable overlap.

aylmao 8y ago

+1. And not only businesses, people are also changing apartments all the time.

bluGill 8y ago

So long as there is someplace to eat it is a good thing: you get more variety without having to go far. The neighborhood doesn't need any specific restaurant or bar, it just needs some

aboodman 8y ago

I lived there for years and loved it. It makes for an incredibly vibrant neighborhood feel. Everytime you go for a walk there's someplace new to stop. Yes, lots of places don't make it, but lots of places do make it and stick around for awhile.

da02 8y ago
What are some stores, companies, or brands that seem to survive and thrive?
- lazerpants 8y ago
  Depends on neighborhood, but generally: Duane Reade, CVS, Chase Bank, Starbucks, Kennedy Fried Chicken, Dunkin Donuts.
- aboodman 8y ago
  I just looked and here are some of my ex-regular haunts from ~16 years ago that are still kicking: https://www.yelp.com/biz/japonica-new-york-2 https://www.yelp.com/biz/japonica-new-york-2 https://www.yelp.com/biz/irving-farm-coffee-roasters-new-york-19 https://www.yelp.com/biz/irving-farm-coffee-roasters-new-yor... https://www.yelp.com/biz/musical-box-new-york https://www.yelp.com/biz/musical-box-new-york https://www.yelp.com/biz/venieros-new-york-2 https://www.yelp.com/biz/venieros-new-york-2 https://www.yelp.com/biz/cafe-mogador-new-york https://www.yelp.com/biz/cafe-mogador-new-york :: shrug ::
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w0m 8y ago

>Is that supposed to be a positive thing? Sounds pretty unstable and a terrible detriment to developing an actual neighbourhood. Nationwide, 90 to 95% of restaurants fail in the first year. Not to say NYC isn't worse, but it's more noticeable when it's that dense.

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