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Responsibility for the sake of responsibility is not going to suffice for most people. Why take on more responsibility than you need to? For example, having kid

by llampx 8y ago

Responsibility for the sake of responsibility is not going to suffice for most people. Why take on more responsibility than you need to? For example, having kids was a direct advantage in earlier times. More hands on the farm, or more muscle for your clan, or other advantages like receiving dowry. This is also why some cultures preferred one sex or the other. Today, what do you get by raising a kid that you then have to support for an extended period of time, maybe until he/she is in his/her mid-twenties? If there's nothing to be gained there's no surprise more people are opting to delay it, sometimes to the point of no return.

YinglingLight 8y ago
"The higher degree of responsibility you voluntarily choose to bear, the richer your life will become. ...You have a complicated job, you try to solve problems, to aid suffering, and there's weight to that. There's deep meaning in that." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg7NhHJsGq0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg7NhHJsGq0
- mercutio2 8y ago
  You might be shocked to learn that many people do not consider Jordan Peterson an authority on philosophical questions like what the good life consists of. Also, minor etiquette point, many of us block YouTube, so for people like us, providing a link that forces us to open a separate browser that doesn’t block YouTube so that we can figure out who you’re quoting isn’t the ideal way to convey your point.
  - YinglingLight 8y ago
    Beautiful example of an ad hominem! I'd love to discuss what you disagree with in Peterson's view on responsibility.
    - mercutio2 8y ago
      Someone disagreed with the notion that responsibility is intrinsically useful. In response, you posted an opaque quote from some random person without any relevance to any moral framework I’m culturally connected to who thinks responsibility is awesome in and of itself. I don’t know or care about Jordan Peterson, so I don’t think I’ve made an ad hominem; rather, I think you’re attempting to make an argument from authority, which isn’t very convincing. I’d feel similarly about a biblical argument, except in the case of the bible, I’d at least acknowledge that while I don’t consider it a moral authority, it has significant cultural heft and is thus worth wrestling with occasionally. I personally am happy to have most of the responsibilities I’ve gathered in my life, with child rearing high on that list. But I don’t resonate with the idea that it’s the responsibility itself that gives meaning to my life.

by llampx 8y ago

YinglingLight 8y ago

"The higher degree of responsibility you voluntarily choose to bear, the richer your life will become. ...You have a complicated job, you try to solve problems, to aid suffering, and there's weight to that. There's deep meaning in that." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg7NhHJsGq0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg7NhHJsGq0

mercutio2 8y ago
You might be shocked to learn that many people do not consider Jordan Peterson an authority on philosophical questions like what the good life consists of. Also, minor etiquette point, many of us block YouTube, so for people like us, providing a link that forces us to open a separate browser that doesn’t block YouTube so that we can figure out who you’re quoting isn’t the ideal way to convey your point.
- YinglingLight 8y ago
  Beautiful example of an ad hominem! I'd love to discuss what you disagree with in Peterson's view on responsibility.
  - mercutio2 8y ago
    Someone disagreed with the notion that responsibility is intrinsically useful. In response, you posted an opaque quote from some random person without any relevance to any moral framework I’m culturally connected to who thinks responsibility is awesome in and of itself. I don’t know or care about Jordan Peterson, so I don’t think I’ve made an ad hominem; rather, I think you’re attempting to make an argument from authority, which isn’t very convincing. I’d feel similarly about a biblical argument, except in the case of the bible, I’d at least acknowledge that while I don’t consider it a moral authority, it has significant cultural heft and is thus worth wrestling with occasionally. I personally am happy to have most of the responsibilities I’ve gathered in my life, with child rearing high on that list. But I don’t resonate with the idea that it’s the responsibility itself that gives meaning to my life.