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Stopping facial recognition tech is not the solve. The problem is surveillance - that’s what we ought to address.

by turdnagel 8y ago

dsfyu404ed 8y ago
Agreed. Software doesn't run oppressive surveillance states. People run oppressive surveillance states.
- throwaway2048 8y ago
  Thus absolving the people who are building the surveillance state, some nice self serving logic.
  - dsfyu404ed 8y ago
    The technology that makes up the surveillance state can be used for good and evil. Your bank can profile you in order to detect someone who isn't you trying to commit fraud by pretending to be you or the ATF can kick down your door and shoot your dog because you made the mistake of buying fertilizer in bulk and renting a truck to go pick it up. I used to work on tech that could be very useful for someone trying to drop bombs. Our implementation was part of a package that was used defensively, mostly to give the guys on the ground a heads up if someone was speeding toward their checkpoint (go watch some ISIS VBIED videos if you think a few seconds heads up isn't a huge help). I can shoot someone who breaks into my home (or better yet, nobody breaks into my home when it's common knowledge that most people have the ability to shoot back) or I can shoot someone for illegally dumping a mattress in my alley. How you use technology really does matter a lot more than the tech itself.
- onemoresoop 8y ago
  Thats similar to "guns dont kill people, people do". But the more guns are available the more people are being killed. Similar with this story, the more the facial recongition technology evolves (without ethical considerations) the more the surveillance states accomplish their jobs
  - jki275 8y ago
    Are you sure your premise is accurate? There are consistently more murders in cities throughout the US where gun ownership is heavily restricted or de-facto banned -- Chicago, DC, etc. Out in the wild west, where there are more guns, there are fewer killings (per capita and absolute).

Stopping facial recognition tech is not the solve. The problem is surveillance - that’s what we ought to address.

dsfyu404ed 8y ago

Agreed. Software doesn't run oppressive surveillance states. People run oppressive surveillance states.

throwaway2048 8y ago
Thus absolving the people who are building the surveillance state, some nice self serving logic.
- dsfyu404ed 8y ago
  The technology that makes up the surveillance state can be used for good and evil. Your bank can profile you in order to detect someone who isn't you trying to commit fraud by pretending to be you or the ATF can kick down your door and shoot your dog because you made the mistake of buying fertilizer in bulk and renting a truck to go pick it up. I used to work on tech that could be very useful for someone trying to drop bombs. Our implementation was part of a package that was used defensively, mostly to give the guys on the ground a heads up if someone was speeding toward their checkpoint (go watch some ISIS VBIED videos if you think a few seconds heads up isn't a huge help). I can shoot someone who breaks into my home (or better yet, nobody breaks into my home when it's common knowledge that most people have the ability to shoot back) or I can shoot someone for illegally dumping a mattress in my alley. How you use technology really does matter a lot more than the tech itself.
onemoresoop 8y ago
Thats similar to "guns dont kill people, people do". But the more guns are available the more people are being killed. Similar with this story, the more the facial recongition technology evolves (without ethical considerations) the more the surveillance states accomplish their jobs
- jki275 8y ago
  Are you sure your premise is accurate? There are consistently more murders in cities throughout the US where gun ownership is heavily restricted or de-facto banned -- Chicago, DC, etc. Out in the wild west, where there are more guns, there are fewer killings (per capita and absolute).