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Do you for some reason not believe the experts in the article? Or have an explanation for the claw marks?
by obituary_latte 8y ago
Do you for some reason not believe the experts in the article? Or have an explanation for the claw marks?
- pvaldes 8y agoI'm not believing it because. 1) I'm not afraid of the experts. 2) They obviously are wrong in this case, as you can see if you take a look to the photos. 3) Yes, I have a better explanation for the marks. One that does not involve magical tetrapods digging in narrow spaces with unlimited degrees of rotation in the shoulder. An expert is somebody that has done any possible mistake in a field. They commit mistakes all the time. This is just part of the journey and nothing to be ashamed of.
- soneca 8y ago"They obviously are wrong in this case, as you can see if you take a look to the photos." I believe they might be wrong too, but using the term "obviously" based on a look to the photos of an article is just arrogant. No matter if you are right in the future about they being wrong.
- dkersten 8y agoI've also come to learn that many things that seem obvious to a layperson often turn out to be false. So just because something seems obvious to somebody or common sense seems to suggest something or their gut instinct says so, really doesn't make it true.
- puranjay 8y ago"X looks like Y, thus, it must be made by Y" - that's the kind of inane logic I see on so many YouTube conspiracy videos. It's absurd to assume that just because something looks like something to a layperson, an expert would see them in the same way. Not to mention that this line of logic has been used by everything from conspiracy nuts to eugenicists
- Uhhrrr 8y agoAnd also the original article.
- DonHopkins 8y agoSo you're saying that you know for a fact that Amilcar Adamy, a geologist with the Brazilian Geological Survey (known by its Portuguese acronym, CPRM), is actually a layperson? What evidence do you have that he was lying about his qualifications and actually is a layperson who has no idea what he's talking about? Are you an expert in spotting fraudulent researchers who lie about their qualifications in multiple magazine articles and peer reviewed scientific publications? What are your own qualifications in that field, and can you prove your accusations? Or are you doing exactly what you're baselessly accusing someone else of doing, without any evidence? Do you have an instinct for debunking fake science? Is his biography and all these research papers and articles he's published fake too? If it's not true, somebody sure went to quite a lot of effort to perpetrate this fraud... What do you think their motivations were? Perhaps you should report him? https://www.escavador.com/sobre/2015231/amilcar-adamy https://www.escavador.com/sobre/2015231/amilcar-adamy https://www.linkedin.com/in/amilcar-adamy-90b71b25/?originalSubdomain=br https://www.linkedin.com/in/amilcar-adamy-90b71b25/?original... https://nl.pinterest.com/gsarisoy/ https://nl.pinterest.com/gsarisoy/ https://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/36983/20170403/mysterious-megatunnels-in-south-america-were-dug-by-giant-sloths.htm https://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/36983/20170403/myst... https://www.beyondsciencetv.com/2017/07/05/hundreds-of-giant-mysterious-tunnels-discovered-in-brazil/ https://www.beyondsciencetv.com/2017/07/05/hundreds-of-giant... http://www.look4ward.co.uk/animals/giant-tunnels-in-south-america-dug-by-ancient-mega-sloths/ http://www.look4ward.co.uk/animals/giant-tunnels-in-south-am... https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/extinct-megafauna-dug-these-incredible-tunnels-in-brazil/ https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/extinct-megafa...
- Uhhrrr 8y agoHe literally says, "Although the exact identity of the producers of the burrows is yet unknown, the dimensions and morphology point to ground sloths and giant armadillos." https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10420940.2016.1223654?scroll=top&needAccess=true https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10420940.2016.1... That is exactly "Looks like Y, must be made by Y." I'm not saying it's a bad heuristic. It's fine for coming up with ideas. But they apparently haven't yet found bones or fossilized poop or other signs of habitation by giant fauna.
- LaGrange 8y ago> Yes, I have a better explanation for the marks. One that does not involve magical tetrapods digging in narrow spaces with unlimited degrees of rotation in the shoulder. Truly, please provide it to me. I hope you've come up with something that doesn't lead to an alternative history where it's the Aztecs colonising Spain.
- pvaldes 8y ago> please provide it to me Of course I'll do. By third time: hu-man mi-ners
- LaGrange 8y agoThat doesn't sound like an explanations for the marks. I even gave you a hint why.
- PhasmaFelis 8y agoIs there something comparative, perhaps based on the width, depth, texture, or curve of the marks, that your expertise in this field leads you to conclude that these are, incontrovertibly, tool marks rather than claw marks? Or you just going by "gut feeling" and don't have any actual proof?
- LaGrange 8y agoI mean, we all know that our Aztec oppressors had iron pickaxes in 10000BC.
- saalweachter 8y agoI mean, you punch a couple of trees and you can make a pickaxe with just wood easy-peasy. You can’t mine ores with it but it will get you through stone at least.
- dkersten 8y agoPlease back up your claims with evidence.
- codetrotter 8y agoI sometimes wonder what is the evolutionary advantage of being as sure about ourselves and dismissive of others like a lot of us humans are.
- mmjaa 8y agoHubris protects us from the self-damage incurred by reflection.
- itry2develop 8y agoWithout that courage humans wouldn't have made most of the discoveries we have.
- Cthulhu_ 8y agoSometimes they're right and cause a huge change in how we think about the world and science and shit. Sometimes.
- justtopost 8y agoMaking a decision, and sticking to it, even after hardship, is what makes us human. How we leverage it is the art. Notice you always read "Confidince is sexy" and "Leading isnt about being right or wrong, but making choices, and being accountable to them". These are sides of the same coin. Heroics, hubris, same root.
- Jtsummers 8y agoThe ability to learn is what makes us human. Otherwise we'd be idiots incapable of ever improving.
- justtopost 8y agoPercicely. Without making hypothesis and working on possibly wrong grounds, we cannot test our beliefs and move forward. I am not suggesting that resolve supercede observation.
- posterboy 8y ago
- PhasmaFelis 8y ago> I'm not afraid of the experts. What?
- 3chelon 8y agoWe might be being trolled by Trump.
- BackToSchool 8y agoI would bet it was the work of humans also. There are claw marks, but it seems like very few. Isn't it possible that a clawed creature found this hole and lived in it at some point?
- ufo 8y agoThe presence and absesce of claw marks has to do with the type of rock (iirc, the claw marks appear in the clay tunnels)
- pvaldes 8y ago>There are claw marks Undistinguisable from modern pick axe marks, and with a similar angle and pressure than an human worker would apply. A much stronger animal wouldn't make such uniform and shallow marks in clay. Not all the marks in a prehistoric cave are necessarily prehistoric.
- newnewpdro 8y ago> Undistinguisable from modern pick axe marks, and with a similar angle and pressure than an human worker would apply. A much stronger animal wouldn't make such uniform and shallow marks in clay. What a load of B.S. Have you ever done any significant manual excavation with a pickaxe and shovel? No human is going to be leaving such long and deep scars in clay with a pickaxe. The progress is much slower for mere humans, clay is an awful material to dig through. For a massive clawed animal however clay would not be such a challenge to leave such long uniform scars. Sure the pattern resembles what one might imagine a pickaxe leaving, but humans lack the force to drive a pickaxe in that fashion through clay.
- pvaldes 8y ago> What a load of B.S. Have you ever done any significant manual excavation with a pickaxe and shovel? (rolleyes) Yes. I have a shovel and I'm not afraid to use it.
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- DonHopkins 8y agoSounds like you have a natural instinct for science.
- nerdponx 8y agoI'm all for questioning new science that hasn't been thoroughly proven, but to say it's obvious is pretty arrogant.
- swebs 8y agoI didn't know KenM browsed Hacker News.
- King-Aaron 8y ago> I'm not afraid of the experts Eh kills experts and doesnt afraid of anything