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It's difficult to respect black and white statements like this. I get that it's always better to accomplish social goals peacefully, but plenty of social progre
by sir_bearington 8y ago
It's difficult to respect black and white statements like this. I get that it's always better to accomplish social goals peacefully, but plenty of social progress has been made by dictators that eliminate opponents.
Take Turkey, for instance. Mustafa Kemal ruled forcibly in many ways, and almost certainly had dissidents killed. He fought in the Turkish war of Independence so he has blood on his hands one way or another. But I'd seriously question the judgement of any who would claim that his rule was bad for Turkey. He drastically improved the country's institutions and brought is social policies more in line with Western ideals. In the coming years the military would repeatedly overthrow legally legitimate governments to keep the country secular. There's an honest discussion to be had over whether or not Turkey would be in a better person if Erdogan had been overthrown.
Of course in a liberal Western democracy, which I assume you live in, doesn't stand to benefit from regimes like that. But the blanket statement along the lines of "dictators bad, democracies good" is not productive, and sometimes feel like willful ignorance of history. This killing is a poor forecast, but time will tell whether history remembers MBS as Saudi Arabia as an Ataturk or a ineffective, bloody ruler (or, much more likely, as just another average Saudi monarch).
- pm90 8y agoI'm not arguing against dictatorships as much as specific kinds of dictatorships. Singapore has been a one-party dictatorship for a while now, South Korea was under the military dictatorship of Park Chung Hee for a while too. But the Singaporean rule has persisted as long perhaps because the regime hasn't wielded its power as brazenly as the KSA just did, and probably continues to do on a more daily basis inside the kingdom itself. The point I'm trying to make is that even dictators/absolute monarchs need to recognize the limits of their power and wield it accordingly. This completely unnecessary exercise of state power has exposed that MBS isn't really the savior of KSA that many had proclaimed: he is a thug, a mob leader who grabbed power from his relatives and initiated token reforms to appease the west while silencing his critics in brutal ways. Even if his "ultimate" intentions are good, his means of achieving them will hinder him from doing that.