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Some of the anti-tipping points might be good in an abstract kind of way, but people who make hundreds of thousands of dollars moralizing to people who make muc

Some of the anti-tipping points might be good in an abstract kind of way, but people who make hundreds of thousands of dollars moralizing to people who make much less and have no control of the situation over a couple of bucks ... it's not a good look. I tip because the people I tip seem to appreciate it. It brings a little more happiness into the world. I could adopt an attitude that makes neither of us happy, but why?

dragonwriter 8y ago
> I tip because the people I tip seem to appreciate it. It brings a little more happiness into the world. I could adopt an attitude that makes neither of us happy, but why? Each individual tipping decision in isolation is a positive, but the aggregate together preserves a system which is a negative. There's a collective action problem, and the moralizers are trying to drive defection from the existing regime to the point where it breaks the problematic system. Also, the moralizers aren't mostly moralizing to the recipients, but to others in their same social strata. They aren't trying to get tied workers to defect from typing, they are trying to get other people like themselves to stop tipping.
- notacoward 8y ago
  All of which only has any effect other than to hurt service workers only if everyone goes along. Which ain't gonna happen. Therefore, those who continue in that vein either consider the outcome acceptable, or just don't really even care enough to think about it for that one second. Either way, still not a good look.
  - dragonwriter 8y ago
    > All of which only has any effect other than to hurt service workers only if everyone goes along. It doesn't require everyone, or even close to everyone, but it does require a sufficiently large portion of the customer base to render the tipping regime untenable. > Which ain't gonna happen. I don't think that's actually clear, once you recognize that it doesn't take everyone.

dragonwriter 8y ago

> I tip because the people I tip seem to appreciate it. It brings a little more happiness into the world. I could adopt an attitude that makes neither of us happy, but why? Each individual tipping decision in isolation is a positive, but the aggregate together preserves a system which is a negative. There's a collective action problem, and the moralizers are trying to drive defection from the existing regime to the point where it breaks the problematic system. Also, the moralizers aren't mostly moralizing to the recipients, but to others in their same social strata. They aren't trying to get tied workers to defect from typing, they are trying to get other people like themselves to stop tipping.

notacoward 8y ago
All of which only has any effect other than to hurt service workers only if everyone goes along. Which ain't gonna happen. Therefore, those who continue in that vein either consider the outcome acceptable, or just don't really even care enough to think about it for that one second. Either way, still not a good look.
- dragonwriter 8y ago
  > All of which only has any effect other than to hurt service workers only if everyone goes along. It doesn't require everyone, or even close to everyone, but it does require a sufficiently large portion of the customer base to render the tipping regime untenable. > Which ain't gonna happen. I don't think that's actually clear, once you recognize that it doesn't take everyone.