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I think a lot of startups are, frankly, ageist. They worry about "culture fit" from an older guy. There's a lot of twenty-something running around. They may als

I think a lot of startups are, frankly, ageist. They worry about "culture fit" from an older guy. There's a lot of twenty-something running around. They may also worry you don't want to put in the late nights and long hours they want due to perhaps family obligations, or that you may want more than they can afford to pay. If you're still on the market, we're hiring, and not ageist. I'm the CTO, 34.

iamdave 8y ago
They may also worry you don't want to put in the late nights and long hours they want due to perhaps family obligations Unless there's something broken, a system down, or a critical issue that needs to be fixed yesterday, I got news for you: I ain't staying late either. I'm 32 with a dog and a highly opinionated cat. Hire me, or don't. Plenty of other companies out there that respect work life balance and don't insist on the awful notion of "well you don't have anyone waiting on you to get home anyway, why do you care?" (of course I'm deliberately phrasing that awfully, but let's be honest with ourselves here).
- kareemsabri 8y ago
  Good for you. As you correctly point out, there are lots of companies that will allow you to strike the work life balance you're looking for.
- knightofmars 8y ago
  >Unless there's something broken, a system down, or a critical issue that needs to be fixed yesterday, I got news for you: I ain't staying late either. This times 1000. The concept that any company "deserves" more than 8 hours of 5 days (or more) is (in my opinion) disgusting.
  - datavirtue 8y ago
    I can work 4 hours in the morning...very productive. I come back from lunch and work 2 more--usually dealing with politics and mentoring. Done.
- Pfhreak 8y ago
  I started insisting on this when I was ~30. I've never had a problem with establishing that boundary early and holding to it strictly. No one has ever held me back in my career as a result. I have put in long hours in the following circumstances: * I really, really loved what I was doing, and I just wanted to do more of it * There was an emergency and I was needed to resolve it. I'm happy to do this if my org has a culture of post-mortems, root causing, and following through on fixes. * Annual review/perf season. I'm a manager of engineers (as well as an engineer). The one thing I'm willing to bend my boundaries on is making sure my people are well represented at perf time. Ideally I'd get this done in work hours, but I can't always, but I can't let someone lose recognition for their work because I couldn't find the time to write them up positively for it.
datavirtue 8y ago
They are too young to know that older guys don't have to work 60 hours to turn out 20 hours of work.

iamdave 8y ago

They may also worry you don't want to put in the late nights and long hours they want due to perhaps family obligations Unless there's something broken, a system down, or a critical issue that needs to be fixed yesterday, I got news for you: I ain't staying late either. I'm 32 with a dog and a highly opinionated cat. Hire me, or don't. Plenty of other companies out there that respect work life balance and don't insist on the awful notion of "well you don't have anyone waiting on you to get home anyway, why do you care?" (of course I'm deliberately phrasing that awfully, but let's be honest with ourselves here).

kareemsabri 8y ago
Good for you. As you correctly point out, there are lots of companies that will allow you to strike the work life balance you're looking for.
knightofmars 8y ago
>Unless there's something broken, a system down, or a critical issue that needs to be fixed yesterday, I got news for you: I ain't staying late either. This times 1000. The concept that any company "deserves" more than 8 hours of 5 days (or more) is (in my opinion) disgusting.
- datavirtue 8y ago
  I can work 4 hours in the morning...very productive. I come back from lunch and work 2 more--usually dealing with politics and mentoring. Done.
Pfhreak 8y ago
I started insisting on this when I was ~30. I've never had a problem with establishing that boundary early and holding to it strictly. No one has ever held me back in my career as a result. I have put in long hours in the following circumstances: * I really, really loved what I was doing, and I just wanted to do more of it * There was an emergency and I was needed to resolve it. I'm happy to do this if my org has a culture of post-mortems, root causing, and following through on fixes. * Annual review/perf season. I'm a manager of engineers (as well as an engineer). The one thing I'm willing to bend my boundaries on is making sure my people are well represented at perf time. Ideally I'd get this done in work hours, but I can't always, but I can't let someone lose recognition for their work because I couldn't find the time to write them up positively for it.

datavirtue 8y ago

They are too young to know that older guys don't have to work 60 hours to turn out 20 hours of work.