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This book is truly terrifying. I've been a "work through it" kind of person all my life, and have sacrificed sleep from a very young age for both personal and p

This book is truly terrifying. I've been a "work through it" kind of person all my life, and have sacrificed sleep from a very young age for both personal and professional priorities. I've been labeled by close friends and loved ones as "forgetful" or "absent-minded." Now I'm faced with the reality that maybe I'm actually causing myself real damage, and these aren't facets of my personality, but symptoms of something worse. Thankfully, I'm only 32 and have time to correct course. One thing I've really changed my thinking on in the past few years is my attitude towards work situations demanding late nights. I wouldn't smoke a cigarette for work, so why was I making excuses for late nights? I've got an Ouraring, and track my sleep constantly -- but still have trouble getting a consistent 8.5 hours. But I'm getting better. What habits did you change?

misiti3780 8y ago
I understand why any alcohol before sleep is bad, so I am drinking less nightcaps. I have a better idea of how to handle inter-continental travel, trying to use less screens before sleep, etc. It is a work in progress for me also.
- alonmower 8y ago
  Getting an Apple Watch really hit home how bad alcohol is for sleep. Anything more than a drink four hours before sleep absolutely destroys my deep sleep. I go from ~3.5 hours of deep sleep to 1 or less. My resting heart rate is also 10 or 15 bpm higher while I sleep than when I don’t drink
  - dawidw 8y ago
    Is the watch really accurate to measure deep sleep? Are there any other watches/devices which measure deep sleep?
    - vgtvgt 8y ago
      There is a Xiaomi product that supposedly can do this: https://www.mi.com/en/miband/ https://www.mi.com/en/miband/
    - alonmower 8y ago
      Not sure how accurate it is but the fact that it's so reproducibly different does make me trust it a little bit. Also jives with how tired I am the days after I drink. The resting heart rate seems to be quite accurate, I've compared it to manually checking my pulse. During exercise it tends to be slightly less accurate because of the sweat and movement.
madeuptempacct 8y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16671944 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16671944 ^ See above for relaxation techniques. It's just a ripoff from yoga. • Read book before bed, not computer/phone. • Walk • Keep room COMPLETELY dark and quiet • Don't eat heavy a few hours before bed • Walk, bike, or workout
- rconti 8y ago
  Probably shouldn't eat heavily at all; unfortunately for many of us "a few hours before bed" simply isn't possible, but of course some good habits are better than none.
hyperpape 8y ago
The most recent work I read didn't show a need for 8.5 hours, but it was solely measuring cognitive performance. Is there really research that shows people need more than 8 on average, or is that a conclusion you've come to about your individual situation?
- bunderbunder 8y ago
  It varies by person. I think it also varies for a person. My rule of thumb is, I don't want to make a habit of having my alarm clock be what wakes me up. For me, that means that sometimes I'm up and moving less than 7 hours after my head hits the pillow, and sometimes I'm still sawing logs 9 hours later. Stress seems to be a factor. Which, ironically enough, means that the more I sleep, the less I need to sleep.
johnvonneumann 8y ago
IMO it's not the 8 hours that's required, it's deep sleep, that's what really rests you. I got 7.5hrs the other night, with 1hr of Deep Sleep and I actually felt like I was on the verge of death, whereas other nights on 6hrs with 3hrs deep, and I feel great. I think sleep is a quality over quantity type deal. Obviously this all personal observation, I just pay attention and write shit down, I don't have a PhD lol.

misiti3780 8y ago

I understand why any alcohol before sleep is bad, so I am drinking less nightcaps. I have a better idea of how to handle inter-continental travel, trying to use less screens before sleep, etc. It is a work in progress for me also.

alonmower 8y ago
Getting an Apple Watch really hit home how bad alcohol is for sleep. Anything more than a drink four hours before sleep absolutely destroys my deep sleep. I go from ~3.5 hours of deep sleep to 1 or less. My resting heart rate is also 10 or 15 bpm higher while I sleep than when I don’t drink
- dawidw 8y ago
  Is the watch really accurate to measure deep sleep? Are there any other watches/devices which measure deep sleep?
  - vgtvgt 8y ago
    There is a Xiaomi product that supposedly can do this: https://www.mi.com/en/miband/ https://www.mi.com/en/miband/
  - alonmower 8y ago
    Not sure how accurate it is but the fact that it's so reproducibly different does make me trust it a little bit. Also jives with how tired I am the days after I drink. The resting heart rate seems to be quite accurate, I've compared it to manually checking my pulse. During exercise it tends to be slightly less accurate because of the sweat and movement.

madeuptempacct 8y ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16671944 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16671944 ^ See above for relaxation techniques. It's just a ripoff from yoga. • Read book before bed, not computer/phone. • Walk • Keep room COMPLETELY dark and quiet • Don't eat heavy a few hours before bed • Walk, bike, or workout

rconti 8y ago
Probably shouldn't eat heavily at all; unfortunately for many of us "a few hours before bed" simply isn't possible, but of course some good habits are better than none.

hyperpape 8y ago

The most recent work I read didn't show a need for 8.5 hours, but it was solely measuring cognitive performance. Is there really research that shows people need more than 8 on average, or is that a conclusion you've come to about your individual situation?

bunderbunder 8y ago
It varies by person. I think it also varies for a person. My rule of thumb is, I don't want to make a habit of having my alarm clock be what wakes me up. For me, that means that sometimes I'm up and moving less than 7 hours after my head hits the pillow, and sometimes I'm still sawing logs 9 hours later. Stress seems to be a factor. Which, ironically enough, means that the more I sleep, the less I need to sleep.

johnvonneumann 8y ago

IMO it's not the 8 hours that's required, it's deep sleep, that's what really rests you. I got 7.5hrs the other night, with 1hr of Deep Sleep and I actually felt like I was on the verge of death, whereas other nights on 6hrs with 3hrs deep, and I feel great. I think sleep is a quality over quantity type deal. Obviously this all personal observation, I just pay attention and write shit down, I don't have a PhD lol.