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I don't quite get it - why do you think I need the maximum possible cognitive productivity out of my life? If I'm delivering enough to get the job done, that's

I don't quite get it - why do you think I need the maximum possible cognitive productivity out of my life? If I'm delivering enough to get the job done, that's enough for me, I don't need to invest every minute of my day in maximizing my cognitive productivity over my enjoyment of life. If I'm giving up spending time with my family and friends, working on personal projects or even just catching up on a TV show I enjoy, I'd say that's a better use of my time than sleeping. I see no reason to think it has significant impact on emotional enjoyment though as you're suggesting - these studies impact learning primarily which wouldn't seem to be deeply involved there. In fact, studies exist showing positive impacts for depression patients.

gf263 8y ago
It has a significant impact on my emotional enjoyment. I feel happier, less grumpy, less anxious, when I sleep my full 8
- lucideer 8y ago
  I feel less grumpy and less anxious, each time I sleep my full 8, but I'd be hesitant to equate that sensation with "happier". If I do that for an extended period of time, I feel bored, existential, "socially unproductive", and begin to get a creeping sense of being a rat in a ratrace. If I sacrifice some of those 8 hours, I feel grumpy, moody, occasionally a bit depressed, but overall get to do more small day-to-day things of value that give me a genuine sense of fulfillment on top of that.
  - bluntfang 8y ago
    >If I do that for an extended period of time, I feel bored, existential, "socially unproductive", and begin to get a creeping sense of being a rat in a ratrace. Have you considered that your life is boring and that you're actually participating in a rat race and sleep is allowing you to identify that?
    - lucideer 8y ago
      > Have you considered that your life is boring and that you're actually participating in a rat race and sleep is allowing you to identify that? I don't need sleep to identify that ;)
      - bluntfang 8y ago
        So you aren't really "happier", you've just chosen a self-prescribed medication to make you seem happier?
    - projektir 8y ago
      That's life for most people. Have you been born yesterday?
azeirah 8y ago
> I see no reason to think it has significant impact on emotional enjoyment though as you're suggesting - these studies impact learning primarily which wouldn't seem to be deeply involved there. Please, sleep is essential for emotional stability. I know you rely a lot on self-study, many of us on HN do, but schedule half an hour to talk with your doctor or with a psychologist, psychiatrist or sleep-specialist, and let them convince you rather than letting me do it. Sleep is absurdly important in all aspects of life, memory integration, resting, repairing the body, emotional regulation. Not to mention, you are way, way less prone to diseases like cancer, alzheimers, fatigue, depression... And there are other aspects of sleeping that are interesting and enjoyable too, time slept is not time lost, you dream while sleeping, you know? If you really want to optimize time lived, then you should go for 8 hours of sleep and learn about lucid dreaming, for instance. > In fact, studies exist showing positive impacts for depression patients. Not sleeping does indeed have a positive impact patients with depression (and anxiety). I can tell you this because I am one of those people. Out of personal experience, yes absolutely, poor sleep for one day makes you feel better. Why? Because you're so incredibly fucking tired that you literally can't even bother to be anxious. It is horrifying. Please for gods sake have some respect for yourself and for your body.
erfgh 8y ago
How old are you? You sound young (under 35). Once you reach 35 and probably earlier, you will change your mind. When you're young your body can take almost everything. I know that when I was 20-22 I would sleep maximum 6 hours per day because I felt the way you describe. Now if I don't take at least 7.5 hours per night (with as few interruptions as possible), my life goes to hell, I feel drained, tired and lost, with depression looming.

gf263 8y ago

It has a significant impact on my emotional enjoyment. I feel happier, less grumpy, less anxious, when I sleep my full 8

lucideer 8y ago
I feel less grumpy and less anxious, each time I sleep my full 8, but I'd be hesitant to equate that sensation with "happier". If I do that for an extended period of time, I feel bored, existential, "socially unproductive", and begin to get a creeping sense of being a rat in a ratrace. If I sacrifice some of those 8 hours, I feel grumpy, moody, occasionally a bit depressed, but overall get to do more small day-to-day things of value that give me a genuine sense of fulfillment on top of that.
- bluntfang 8y ago
  >If I do that for an extended period of time, I feel bored, existential, "socially unproductive", and begin to get a creeping sense of being a rat in a ratrace. Have you considered that your life is boring and that you're actually participating in a rat race and sleep is allowing you to identify that?
  - lucideer 8y ago
    > Have you considered that your life is boring and that you're actually participating in a rat race and sleep is allowing you to identify that? I don't need sleep to identify that ;)
    - bluntfang 8y ago
      So you aren't really "happier", you've just chosen a self-prescribed medication to make you seem happier?
  - projektir 8y ago
    That's life for most people. Have you been born yesterday?

azeirah 8y ago

> I see no reason to think it has significant impact on emotional enjoyment though as you're suggesting - these studies impact learning primarily which wouldn't seem to be deeply involved there. Please, sleep is essential for emotional stability. I know you rely a lot on self-study, many of us on HN do, but schedule half an hour to talk with your doctor or with a psychologist, psychiatrist or sleep-specialist, and let them convince you rather than letting me do it. Sleep is absurdly important in all aspects of life, memory integration, resting, repairing the body, emotional regulation. Not to mention, you are way, way less prone to diseases like cancer, alzheimers, fatigue, depression... And there are other aspects of sleeping that are interesting and enjoyable too, time slept is not time lost, you dream while sleeping, you know? If you really want to optimize time lived, then you should go for 8 hours of sleep and learn about lucid dreaming, for instance. > In fact, studies exist showing positive impacts for depression patients. Not sleeping does indeed have a positive impact patients with depression (and anxiety). I can tell you this because I am one of those people. Out of personal experience, yes absolutely, poor sleep for one day makes you feel better. Why? Because you're so incredibly fucking tired that you literally can't even bother to be anxious. It is horrifying. Please for gods sake have some respect for yourself and for your body.

erfgh 8y ago

How old are you? You sound young (under 35). Once you reach 35 and probably earlier, you will change your mind. When you're young your body can take almost everything. I know that when I was 20-22 I would sleep maximum 6 hours per day because I felt the way you describe. Now if I don't take at least 7.5 hours per night (with as few interruptions as possible), my life goes to hell, I feel drained, tired and lost, with depression looming.