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That's a bit extreme. I hope you don't eat at sit down restaurants often.

pc86 8y ago
Or the same one more than once. Stiffing waiters in the same establishment more than one is a risky proposition at best.
- wetpaws 8y ago
  That's not stiffing, the price is written on a check, so what you probably mean is "economic transaction". Paying waiters low on the other hand is stiffing.
  - X6S1x6Okd1st 8y ago
    That's not how all the players view it. Like it or not just because you feel justified in something doesn't mean that others will.
    - wetpaws 8y ago
      When you buy products on Amazon, do you look for more expensive or less expensive listings?
      - X6S1x6Okd1st 8y ago
        That's a false equivalency.
        wetpaws 8y ago
        How is it different? They are both a group of people providing you with added value for a specific price.
        X6S1x6Okd1st 8y ago
        The simplest difference is expectation.
jjuhl 8y ago
I do. But I never tip. They get the price they ask, that I can see before I order. That should be enough or they should change their prices/wages so tipping is not necessary. And no, I don't feel the least guilty about that.
- aaaaaaass 8y ago
  Lmao you must be fun at parties
- telchar 8y ago
  If you want to claim to be principled about this then you should inform the waitstaff at the start of the interaction that you don't intend to tip. The price they ask has expectation of tip built in implicitly - failing to disclose that you won't tip is therefore a lie of omission. I hope you're not that sort of person.
  - late2part 8y ago
    2 thoughts. #1 - I feel you are assuming requirements about the optionality of tipping. The gratuity is optional for whatever reason, regardless of social expectations. So in my opinion one can be moral and ethical without disclosing why they don't tip. #2 - I waited tables, and a very good waiter once told me that he gives every table the same service whether they do or don't tip, and no matter how much they tip. I feel many servers lack this mentality; which leads to more people tipping less. When I waited tables, 10% was an okay tip, 15% was stellar. Now it seems like 20% is assumed and folks have a social signalling competition to tip 25-30%. Doesn't make sense.
    - telchar 8y ago
      You're right that the gratuity is optional, but there is still a strong general expectation that most people will tip. The optionality gives the tipper discretion in any specific situation, not an indefinite free ride with no social consequences. The server wouldn't work for $2.13/hr (presumably) without the expectation, so by never tipping the GP is freeloading on the other customers. Likewise there is an expectation of good service from waitstaff, but they're not obligated to give good service. They too have the option of giving better or worse service at their discretion. So if a server wants to give everyone equal service that's their right. But if I want to develop a reputation as a good tipper to get my service prioritized over GP by servers who differentiate then that's ok too, and rational I think.

pc86 8y ago

Or the same one more than once. Stiffing waiters in the same establishment more than one is a risky proposition at best.

wetpaws 8y ago
That's not stiffing, the price is written on a check, so what you probably mean is "economic transaction". Paying waiters low on the other hand is stiffing.
- X6S1x6Okd1st 8y ago
  That's not how all the players view it. Like it or not just because you feel justified in something doesn't mean that others will.
  - wetpaws 8y ago
    When you buy products on Amazon, do you look for more expensive or less expensive listings?
    - X6S1x6Okd1st 8y ago
      That's a false equivalency.
      - wetpaws 8y ago
        How is it different? They are both a group of people providing you with added value for a specific price.
        X6S1x6Okd1st 8y ago
        The simplest difference is expectation.

jjuhl 8y ago

I do. But I never tip. They get the price they ask, that I can see before I order. That should be enough or they should change their prices/wages so tipping is not necessary. And no, I don't feel the least guilty about that.

aaaaaaass 8y ago
Lmao you must be fun at parties
telchar 8y ago
If you want to claim to be principled about this then you should inform the waitstaff at the start of the interaction that you don't intend to tip. The price they ask has expectation of tip built in implicitly - failing to disclose that you won't tip is therefore a lie of omission. I hope you're not that sort of person.
- late2part 8y ago
  2 thoughts. #1 - I feel you are assuming requirements about the optionality of tipping. The gratuity is optional for whatever reason, regardless of social expectations. So in my opinion one can be moral and ethical without disclosing why they don't tip. #2 - I waited tables, and a very good waiter once told me that he gives every table the same service whether they do or don't tip, and no matter how much they tip. I feel many servers lack this mentality; which leads to more people tipping less. When I waited tables, 10% was an okay tip, 15% was stellar. Now it seems like 20% is assumed and folks have a social signalling competition to tip 25-30%. Doesn't make sense.
  - telchar 8y ago
    You're right that the gratuity is optional, but there is still a strong general expectation that most people will tip. The optionality gives the tipper discretion in any specific situation, not an indefinite free ride with no social consequences. The server wouldn't work for $2.13/hr (presumably) without the expectation, so by never tipping the GP is freeloading on the other customers. Likewise there is an expectation of good service from waitstaff, but they're not obligated to give good service. They too have the option of giving better or worse service at their discretion. So if a server wants to give everyone equal service that's their right. But if I want to develop a reputation as a good tipper to get my service prioritized over GP by servers who differentiate then that's ok too, and rational I think.