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I found zopiclone to be addictive. You have the most amazing sleep for the first few days when you take it. Then afterwards when you stop taking it, you get the

I found zopiclone to be addictive. You have the most amazing sleep for the first few days when you take it. Then afterwards when you stop taking it, you get the absolute worst sleep: barely hitting REM, constantly waking up, difficulty falling asleep. I think: diphenhydramine or melatonin might be a safer bet for some people. Never take it more than a few days in a row.

flatline 8y ago
Some people also have luck with Magnesium L-Threonate
- ryall 8y ago
  Yep, Magnesium works for me big time. I take a powdered form which seems a lot more effective than pills. Still wake up in the middle of the night sometimes but can get back to sleep easily without my brain switching into overdrive. Melatonin definitely knocked me out, but I woke up groggy feeling like I hadn't slept at all
  - a008t 8y ago
    Do you take L-threonate or other versions? Have you tried stopping it - did things get worse than before you started?
- a008t 8y ago
  Have you been taking it? What has been your experience?
sibeliuss 8y ago
What is wrong with doctors these days :( There are a thousand natural tricks to helping get back on a regular sleep schedule without prescribing an addictive drug that actually breaks your sleep in the long run. (See: Ambien)
- jazoom 8y ago
  > What is wrong with doctors these days :( Disclaimer: I'm a doctor. It may be different where you are from, but patients are usually the ones who want a script for something and not to be told to put away their devices, stay away from coffee and alcohol, etc. Also, there's a difference between addiction and becoming dependent on taking a substance, which seems to be a common misunderstanding in this thread.
  - sibeliuss 8y ago
    I don't thing the crisis we're in right now should be blamed on patients; they might want a script, but that doesn't mean its in their interest.
    - jazoom 8y ago
      > I don't thing the crisis we're in right now should be blamed on patients; they might want a script, but that doesn't mean its in their interest. I'm guessing you're American since you're assuming everywhere has the same crisis you do. From what I've read here (on Hacker News), you have plenty of systemic problems. I doubt blaming doctors is going to be the most useful course of action. But then, I don't really know. Perhaps all doctors in your country deliberately do things that are against patients' best-interests, and would continue to do so if patients actually wanted the best thing for them. Do your doctors really not suggest good diet and exercise as treatments for type 2 diabetes? I'd be very surprised if they don't. Edit for clarification.
      - bkanber 8y ago
        Not OP, but one thing I've always found absurd about our medical practice is doctors recommending things like whole wheat pasta for type 2 diabetes. Really? Plate of carbs? Many health systems here still have this kind of stuff in their official guidelines.
        jazoom 8y ago
JusticeJuice 8y ago
> Never take it more than a few days in a row. Exactly. Literally any sleep substance taken regularly can be addictive, either physically or psychologically. Even melatonin, which is what your body produces will get less and less effective. As an aside, melatonin is often sold at dosages insanely higher than recommended. Studied have shown that less than a mg, even low as 0.1mg is the optimal dose for many people, but you can easily find 1, 3, 10mg dosages, which is insane. I was in hong kong, the lowest dosage I could find on shelves was 3mg - way too much.

flatline 8y ago

Some people also have luck with Magnesium L-Threonate

ryall 8y ago
Yep, Magnesium works for me big time. I take a powdered form which seems a lot more effective than pills. Still wake up in the middle of the night sometimes but can get back to sleep easily without my brain switching into overdrive. Melatonin definitely knocked me out, but I woke up groggy feeling like I hadn't slept at all
- a008t 8y ago
  Do you take L-threonate or other versions? Have you tried stopping it - did things get worse than before you started?
a008t 8y ago
Have you been taking it? What has been your experience?

sibeliuss 8y ago

What is wrong with doctors these days :( There are a thousand natural tricks to helping get back on a regular sleep schedule without prescribing an addictive drug that actually breaks your sleep in the long run. (See: Ambien)

jazoom 8y ago
> What is wrong with doctors these days :( Disclaimer: I'm a doctor. It may be different where you are from, but patients are usually the ones who want a script for something and not to be told to put away their devices, stay away from coffee and alcohol, etc. Also, there's a difference between addiction and becoming dependent on taking a substance, which seems to be a common misunderstanding in this thread.
- sibeliuss 8y ago
  I don't thing the crisis we're in right now should be blamed on patients; they might want a script, but that doesn't mean its in their interest.
  - jazoom 8y ago
    > I don't thing the crisis we're in right now should be blamed on patients; they might want a script, but that doesn't mean its in their interest. I'm guessing you're American since you're assuming everywhere has the same crisis you do. From what I've read here (on Hacker News), you have plenty of systemic problems. I doubt blaming doctors is going to be the most useful course of action. But then, I don't really know. Perhaps all doctors in your country deliberately do things that are against patients' best-interests, and would continue to do so if patients actually wanted the best thing for them. Do your doctors really not suggest good diet and exercise as treatments for type 2 diabetes? I'd be very surprised if they don't. Edit for clarification.
    - bkanber 8y ago
      Not OP, but one thing I've always found absurd about our medical practice is doctors recommending things like whole wheat pasta for type 2 diabetes. Really? Plate of carbs? Many health systems here still have this kind of stuff in their official guidelines.
      - jazoom 8y ago

JusticeJuice 8y ago

> Never take it more than a few days in a row. Exactly. Literally any sleep substance taken regularly can be addictive, either physically or psychologically. Even melatonin, which is what your body produces will get less and less effective. As an aside, melatonin is often sold at dosages insanely higher than recommended. Studied have shown that less than a mg, even low as 0.1mg is the optimal dose for many people, but you can easily find 1, 3, 10mg dosages, which is insane. I was in hong kong, the lowest dosage I could find on shelves was 3mg - way too much.