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Two things. You're making some assumptions that are problematic. 1. That this is wrong under Australian law, or somehow irregular. You not liking it, or having

Two things. You're making some assumptions that are problematic. 1. That this is wrong under Australian law, or somehow irregular. You not liking it, or having a knee jerk reaction is not the same as an actual moral judgement. 2. That courts generally have no recourse this sort of behavior. Lots of people have tried this sort of gambit, ditching assets and whatnot to avoid paying judgement. And everyone seems to think it's an original idea or that the courts can't nail your nuts to a wall for doing it. Furthermore: 3. It is beyond trivial for them to determine that you took the money out of a bank. And then demand to know where it's at. And then demand that you recover it. And then also punish you criminally for that criminal conduct. 4. Every lawyer everywhere beats their heads against their desk every time one of their brain trust clients do something so egregiously stupid as what you're imagining.

russdpale 8y ago
All of this is true, but its also true that the government would still not be able to freeze your assets... And if you are willing go take the criminal charges for that conduct, then those assets will still be on the blockchain when you get out.
- Brockenstein 8y ago
  So you're under the belief that you have hundreds of thousands of dollars obtained in some scheme and there's a court order to pay it back. And you're under the belief that if you hide those assets and tell the court to eff off, that you may go to prison for a separate crime than for what the judgement was originally for and after you serve your time that nullifies the original judgement and/or makes you untouchable legally? It sure does seem like several folks have grandiose surefire ideas of how to beat the system. And believe they're stubborn enough that they can out wait everyone, that the courts, government, plaintiffs will all just give up and give in. Good luck with that. It sounds like a child's fantasy to me.
weberc2 8y ago
1. I don't claim it's wrong under Aussie law; I claimed to find ToS like these to be morally wrong. Feel free to disagree with my opinion. I was thinking more "move to somewhere without extradition". I don't think this is particularly practical, but I still like the idea of someone doing this to spite government overreach. With that said: 2. The courts _don't_ have any recourse for "this sort of behavior". 3. I _hope_ they realize you took your money. Tell them it's in a bitcoin wallet. Tell them where they can shove their demands and wish them well trying to punish your criminal conduct. 4. Clearly I'm not concerned about lawyers. Someone is making incorrect assumptions, but it's not me. :)
- Brockenstein 8y ago
  Alright man, if you're so sure, if you ever find yourself in that boat I wish you well. Because I'm sure it's a recipe for disaster. >I was thinking more "move to somewhere without extradition". I don't think this is particularly practical, but I still like the idea of someone doing this to spite government overreach. With that said: You know what solutions to problems I like? Impractical or untenable ones. You know what that makes it? Not a solution. >2. The courts _don't_ have any recourse for "this sort of behavior". You wish. >3. I _hope_ they realize you took your money. Tell them it's in a bitcoin wallet. Tell them where they can shove their demands and wish them well trying to punish your criminal conduct. They won't need your well wishes, you've made it easy for them. You seem to think sticking money into a bitcoin wallet is some impenetrable shield and enables you to ignore court orders. Governments have seized bitcoins for years. And seeing as how your scheme is to do this to confound their actions against you I think you'll be on the hook for lost value and whatever costs are incurred in recovering the assets you're trying to protect. >4. Clearly I'm not concerned about lawyers. Yeah in your fantasy scenario where you beat the government through your deft maneuvers, sure they don't matter. In the real world though, different ballgame. I think you'll find working against your lawyer and sabotaging his efforts on your behalf is the definition of counter-productive. And if you figure you don't need a lawyer, a well known proverb covers that: A person who is their own lawyer has a fool for his client. A lawyer who represents himself (herself) has a client who is an even bigger fool.
  - 8y ago
dragonwriter 8y ago
> You not liking it, or having a knee jerk reaction is not the same as an actual moral judgement. Yes, it's exactly a moral judgement.

russdpale 8y ago

All of this is true, but its also true that the government would still not be able to freeze your assets... And if you are willing go take the criminal charges for that conduct, then those assets will still be on the blockchain when you get out.

Brockenstein 8y ago
So you're under the belief that you have hundreds of thousands of dollars obtained in some scheme and there's a court order to pay it back. And you're under the belief that if you hide those assets and tell the court to eff off, that you may go to prison for a separate crime than for what the judgement was originally for and after you serve your time that nullifies the original judgement and/or makes you untouchable legally? It sure does seem like several folks have grandiose surefire ideas of how to beat the system. And believe they're stubborn enough that they can out wait everyone, that the courts, government, plaintiffs will all just give up and give in. Good luck with that. It sounds like a child's fantasy to me.

weberc2 8y ago

1. I don't claim it's wrong under Aussie law; I claimed to find ToS like these to be morally wrong. Feel free to disagree with my opinion. I was thinking more "move to somewhere without extradition". I don't think this is particularly practical, but I still like the idea of someone doing this to spite government overreach. With that said: 2. The courts _don't_ have any recourse for "this sort of behavior". 3. I _hope_ they realize you took your money. Tell them it's in a bitcoin wallet. Tell them where they can shove their demands and wish them well trying to punish your criminal conduct. 4. Clearly I'm not concerned about lawyers. Someone is making incorrect assumptions, but it's not me. :)

Brockenstein 8y ago
Alright man, if you're so sure, if you ever find yourself in that boat I wish you well. Because I'm sure it's a recipe for disaster. >I was thinking more "move to somewhere without extradition". I don't think this is particularly practical, but I still like the idea of someone doing this to spite government overreach. With that said: You know what solutions to problems I like? Impractical or untenable ones. You know what that makes it? Not a solution. >2. The courts _don't_ have any recourse for "this sort of behavior". You wish. >3. I _hope_ they realize you took your money. Tell them it's in a bitcoin wallet. Tell them where they can shove their demands and wish them well trying to punish your criminal conduct. They won't need your well wishes, you've made it easy for them. You seem to think sticking money into a bitcoin wallet is some impenetrable shield and enables you to ignore court orders. Governments have seized bitcoins for years. And seeing as how your scheme is to do this to confound their actions against you I think you'll be on the hook for lost value and whatever costs are incurred in recovering the assets you're trying to protect. >4. Clearly I'm not concerned about lawyers. Yeah in your fantasy scenario where you beat the government through your deft maneuvers, sure they don't matter. In the real world though, different ballgame. I think you'll find working against your lawyer and sabotaging his efforts on your behalf is the definition of counter-productive. And if you figure you don't need a lawyer, a well known proverb covers that: A person who is their own lawyer has a fool for his client. A lawyer who represents himself (herself) has a client who is an even bigger fool.
- 8y ago

dragonwriter 8y ago

> You not liking it, or having a knee jerk reaction is not the same as an actual moral judgement. Yes, it's exactly a moral judgement.