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What's to stop law enforcement circumventing the phone and just going this route to get user data for court cases? Or, is there stuff on the phone that won't be

What's to stop law enforcement circumventing the phone and just going this route to get user data for court cases? Or, is there stuff on the phone that won't be included here?

klodolph 8y ago
This doesn’t download data from the phone at all. This only downloads data that was already stored with Apple. This doesn’t make any additional information available to law enforcement.
- kzrdude 8y ago
  Potentially gives law enforcement an easier way to get the information? Instead of compelling Apple to give it out (they can afford lawyers), they can try compelling individuals instead.
  - pkaye 8y ago
    If the police can compel individuals to give up their passwords then none of this matters.
- cromwellian 8y ago
  Wouldn't a complete history of every App you're ever downloaded from the App Store be super useful to law enforcement to know which third parties to get a warrant for? Apple may not collect that much data, but they enable a platform which allows massive data collection. They're not exactly banning Facebook from the App Store are they? In a way, this allows them to have their cake and eat it, by avoiding criticism from 1st party data collection, but selling a curated platform that deliberately approves of it from third parties. If the FBI founds out you downloaded a white nationalist, or Islamic app, they now know where to continue their fishing expedition. This isn't exactly benign information.
masklinn 8y ago
> What's to stop law enforcement circumventing the phone and just going this route to get user data for court cases? This is data which Apple has/had already, nothing has changed there and law enforcement could already request it. This is them starting to roll out GDPR-related tools globally (it's been available since May for EU accounts). > Or, is there stuff on the phone that won't be included here? Anything which is not sent to Apple, or is only sent device-encrypted (as in, encrypted with a key which does not leave the device) or E2E encrypted. According to the section titles, the data here mostly contains account data (appstore, retail, appleid), public/shared data (gamecenter stuff) and cloud-synched stuff (bookmarks, reading list, notes, contacts, …) as well as ancillary data ("Marketing subscriptions, downloads and other activity").

What's to stop law enforcement circumventing the phone and just going this route to get user data for court cases? Or, is there stuff on the phone that won't be included here?

klodolph 8y ago

This doesn’t download data from the phone at all. This only downloads data that was already stored with Apple. This doesn’t make any additional information available to law enforcement.

kzrdude 8y ago
Potentially gives law enforcement an easier way to get the information? Instead of compelling Apple to give it out (they can afford lawyers), they can try compelling individuals instead.
- pkaye 8y ago
  If the police can compel individuals to give up their passwords then none of this matters.
cromwellian 8y ago
Wouldn't a complete history of every App you're ever downloaded from the App Store be super useful to law enforcement to know which third parties to get a warrant for? Apple may not collect that much data, but they enable a platform which allows massive data collection. They're not exactly banning Facebook from the App Store are they? In a way, this allows them to have their cake and eat it, by avoiding criticism from 1st party data collection, but selling a curated platform that deliberately approves of it from third parties. If the FBI founds out you downloaded a white nationalist, or Islamic app, they now know where to continue their fishing expedition. This isn't exactly benign information.

masklinn 8y ago

> What's to stop law enforcement circumventing the phone and just going this route to get user data for court cases? This is data which Apple has/had already, nothing has changed there and law enforcement could already request it. This is them starting to roll out GDPR-related tools globally (it's been available since May for EU accounts). > Or, is there stuff on the phone that won't be included here? Anything which is not sent to Apple, or is only sent device-encrypted (as in, encrypted with a key which does not leave the device) or E2E encrypted. According to the section titles, the data here mostly contains account data (appstore, retail, appleid), public/shared data (gamecenter stuff) and cloud-synched stuff (bookmarks, reading list, notes, contacts, …) as well as ancillary data ("Marketing subscriptions, downloads and other activity").