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One theory: The Bay Area has become seriously ageist. Many people have a hard time accepting working for someone a generation younger than them, and especially
by mchannon 8y ago
One theory: The Bay Area has become seriously ageist.
Many people have a hard time accepting working for someone a generation younger than them, and especially hiring a subordinate a generation older than them. The people reviewing your resume and interviewing you won't say it (they're not allowed to by law) but they'll definitely be thinking it, and it ends up being a huge waste of your time.
I genuinely think it's a locale thing. I've found work outside the area to be as high-paying and fulfilling, but without the casting couch feel to the interviewing process. In particular, look to large, legacy established companies trying to stay relevant. Many of them recognize the value of experience and pay accordingly.
- jacob_rezi 8y agoI thought people don't really use resumes any more
- mrunkel 8y agoWhat do they use instead?
- C1sc0cat 8y agoLinkedIn my last job search I hardly did any direct job searches and I am hem hem close to 60
- collyw 8y agolinked in is effectively an online resume.
- heydonovan 8y agoLinkedIn has been completely useless for me. Not a single time has it been acceptable. I'll link it in an email, and people will ask for me to send a PDF instead. Got a few complaints when I used the "Save as PDF" feature, since it was obviously generated from LinkedIn. shrugs
- newnewpdro 8y agoIt depends on if you're feeding into an HR/sourcing machine or actually talking with the decision makers. The former is just following a script and wants your information in a specific format because that's what the automation demands. The latter is a person who you will either work with or under, they don't care. The latter is the preferable path in my opinion, and personally use the "send me your resume in a specific format" request as a reason to cease contact because of all it implies.
- werber 8y agoCEEV is a great resource for this.
- C1sc0cat 8y agoIts not a CV - its lead gen for your job search.
- richardknop 8y agoIt takes 2 clicks to generate PDF from your LinkedIn or StackOverflow profile. Makes no sense to maintain manually written resume when you are already maintaining your employment and experience history on LinkedIn. All the relevant data is in their database, just click the export to pdf button, if somebody insists on PDF, and attach that to the email.
- vanadium 8y agoI haven't updated my resume since ~2005; when I re-entered the market looking for a new gig in 2010 and ever since, it's been LinkedIn curation and getting opportunities passed to me from my network 100%.
- ry_ry 8y agoIs a double edged sword - I've not updated my resume since 2005 and continually get approached about junior roles, as per my 13 year old CV. If I had been in industry for >10 years and was still looking for junior roles I sure as heck wouldn't be trying to hire me!
- klaw123 8y agoThere are companies that take this the other way. Companies where everyone is over 40 and has kids. And stability of the prod systems is highly prized. Nobody wants hackathons , we all leave at 5:30pm each day. These companies exist in Bay Area.
- joewee 8y agoCare to list a few for those who might be looking for something like that?
- rrauenza 8y agoI like working at VMware. It has a good work/life balance, age distribution seems well distributed, and only a couple hackathons a year -- totally optional.
- my_usernam3 8y ago> only a couple hackathons a year Over one hackathon a year sounds like overkill to me, and I've never heard of a company with over two of them (not saying they don't exist of course)
- fweespeech 8y agoDanaher / Danaher Labs - assuming you can avoid having a bad manager. Our home room would regularly scold us gently for working late / weekends. The problem was, the home room wasn't really in charge.
- benatkin 8y agoThere's also confirmation bias. If you go in with a slight bias against age, and you hire someone over 35 who doesn't work out well, you can come up with some reason that's related to their age. What people don't realize is that if they hire an older engineer that does well in the role, their age will also have something to do with it.
- datavirtue 8y agoIn my experience developers under 40 are a cluster fuck. For slightly more money than a stumblebumb 25yr old you can hire a real developer.
- mosdl 8y agoSame thing happens in Austin/NY, nothing Bay Area specific
- WalterSear 8y ago> won't say it (they're not allowed to by law) but they'll definitely be thinking it, I'd argue you are giving them too much credit: they aren't thinking it, they are feeling it. All they are aware of is that you seem like a bad 'culture fit'. I'd also argue it's not a locale thing. It's that companies 'struggling to stay relevant' are hungrier.
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- chaostheory 8y agoHas become? It's been ageist for a while now, since the 90s or even earlier. https://newrepublic.com/article/117088/silicons-valleys-brutal-ageism https://newrepublic.com/article/117088/silicons-valleys-brut...