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> not in free speech etc. What's your source on this? Free speech is enshrined as a "fundamental freedom" in the Charter. There are reasonable limits as well,

> not in free speech etc. What's your source on this? Free speech is enshrined as a "fundamental freedom" in the Charter. There are reasonable limits as well, to ensure that things like hate speech are deemed illegal.

rfrey 8y ago
I've met a number of people (all American, so I infer it's due to some American news sources) that believe Canadians are arrested on a regular basis for flimsy and arbitrary claims of hate speech, and those arrests are political. The same people tend to believe we wait six months and probably die before getting cancer treatment because of our socialized medical system. So chalk it up to Canada being used in the partisan ratings war that seems to dominate news nowadays.
- prolikewh0a 8y ago
  It's definitely our media not on the side of citizens. How many lies do your hear about your health care system?
  - rfrey 8y ago
    I don’t know, maybe lots? What I hear from my chosen news sources matches my experience (or feeds my confirmation bias), so I don’t recognize it as lies.
- moate 8y ago
  You can chalk it up to Jordan Peterson and his fanboys insisting that white men are the most oppressed group in this upside down new world we live in. That segment really likes to paint Canada as the thought-police boogie man.
  - flamtap 8y ago
    Jordan Peterson absolutely and completely does not "insist", insinuate, or suggest that "white men are the most oppressed group". I am a really big fan of Dr. Peterson's work and I have never heard him say or publish anything remotely resembling such a statement. In fact, he is completely opposed to identity politics on the whole. Some misguided white men might think that they are "the most oppressed group", but they are just that: misguided.
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  - badsoftwaredev 8y ago
    Peterson is right, just look at all the arrests! https://www.reddit.com/r/ArrestedCanadaBillC16/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ArrestedCanadaBillC16/
  - Reedx 8y ago
    Er, engaging in the oppression olympics is the opposite of what he does. His argument is that people should be judged as individuals, not by what group they randomly happen to be part of. Peterson advocates for free speech and MLK's dream: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
- blablabla007 8y ago
  So the "human right" commissions that are designed to facilitate violation of fundamental Charter rights are nothing? You can be subject to lifetime publication ban. All this without due process. And remember truth is not a defense at "human rights trials". Of course if you are well connected (Mark Steyn) you can raise enough hell that bolshevicks at the commission will not dare to send you to gulack. So absolutely, freedom of speech is very limited over here. And to stay on topic, I absolutely get the new weed policy, more people stoned, less trouble will government have controlling population. Although it does seem redundant at this point as ignorance seems to be the real unifying Canadian value.
dleslie 8y ago
Like all charter rights, it is weighed in balance with the others and so can be limited. So, IE, Blasphemous Libel is a thing in Canada. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemous_libel#Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemous_libel#Canada
en4bz 8y ago
Canadian Human Rights Tribunals often produce concerning rulings regarding free speech [1]. I found this case to be particularly concerning even if the "jokes" in question were distasteful. Reminds me of the "Nazi Pug" in the UK [2] which was equally alarming. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/mike-ward-comedian-human-rights-tribunal-1.3689465 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/mike-ward-comedian-h... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2018/04/23/he-trained-a-pug-to-do-a-nazi-salute-for-a-youtube-video-now-hes-been-fined-for-a-hate-crime/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.78ead789e745 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2018/04...
badsoftwaredev 8y ago
Freedom of Expression. Some American's think their interpretation of Free Speech is the only correct one and if you don't follow it then you have no freedom of speech.

rfrey 8y ago

I've met a number of people (all American, so I infer it's due to some American news sources) that believe Canadians are arrested on a regular basis for flimsy and arbitrary claims of hate speech, and those arrests are political. The same people tend to believe we wait six months and probably die before getting cancer treatment because of our socialized medical system. So chalk it up to Canada being used in the partisan ratings war that seems to dominate news nowadays.

prolikewh0a 8y ago
It's definitely our media not on the side of citizens. How many lies do your hear about your health care system?
- rfrey 8y ago
  I don’t know, maybe lots? What I hear from my chosen news sources matches my experience (or feeds my confirmation bias), so I don’t recognize it as lies.
moate 8y ago
You can chalk it up to Jordan Peterson and his fanboys insisting that white men are the most oppressed group in this upside down new world we live in. That segment really likes to paint Canada as the thought-police boogie man.
- flamtap 8y ago
  Jordan Peterson absolutely and completely does not "insist", insinuate, or suggest that "white men are the most oppressed group". I am a really big fan of Dr. Peterson's work and I have never heard him say or publish anything remotely resembling such a statement. In fact, he is completely opposed to identity politics on the whole. Some misguided white men might think that they are "the most oppressed group", but they are just that: misguided.
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- badsoftwaredev 8y ago
  Peterson is right, just look at all the arrests! https://www.reddit.com/r/ArrestedCanadaBillC16/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ArrestedCanadaBillC16/
- Reedx 8y ago
  Er, engaging in the oppression olympics is the opposite of what he does. His argument is that people should be judged as individuals, not by what group they randomly happen to be part of. Peterson advocates for free speech and MLK's dream: "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
blablabla007 8y ago
So the "human right" commissions that are designed to facilitate violation of fundamental Charter rights are nothing? You can be subject to lifetime publication ban. All this without due process. And remember truth is not a defense at "human rights trials". Of course if you are well connected (Mark Steyn) you can raise enough hell that bolshevicks at the commission will not dare to send you to gulack. So absolutely, freedom of speech is very limited over here. And to stay on topic, I absolutely get the new weed policy, more people stoned, less trouble will government have controlling population. Although it does seem redundant at this point as ignorance seems to be the real unifying Canadian value.

dleslie 8y ago

Like all charter rights, it is weighed in balance with the others and so can be limited. So, IE, Blasphemous Libel is a thing in Canada. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemous_libel#Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blasphemous_libel#Canada

en4bz 8y ago

Canadian Human Rights Tribunals often produce concerning rulings regarding free speech [1]. I found this case to be particularly concerning even if the "jokes" in question were distasteful. Reminds me of the "Nazi Pug" in the UK [2] which was equally alarming. [1] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/mike-ward-comedian-human-rights-tribunal-1.3689465 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/mike-ward-comedian-h... [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2018/04/23/he-trained-a-pug-to-do-a-nazi-salute-for-a-youtube-video-now-hes-been-fined-for-a-hate-crime/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.78ead789e745 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2018/04...

badsoftwaredev 8y ago

Freedom of Expression. Some American's think their interpretation of Free Speech is the only correct one and if you don't follow it then you have no freedom of speech.