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For the 1,000,000th time: you can't shout "fire" in a crowded theater and call it "satire" either.

by heavenlyhash 8y ago

jessaustin 8y ago
Repeating it all those times hasn't made it true.
- heavenlyhash 8y ago
  ... What? Edit: Oh, your profile says " "obvious troll" ". Okay then. Checks out.
  - jessaustin 8y ago
    Since your ability to educate yourself has been exhausted at a single misreading of irony, others will do it for you: https://www.popehat.com/2012/09/19/three-generations-of-a-hackneyed-apologia-for-censorship-are-enough/ https://www.popehat.com/2012/09/19/three-generations-of-a-ha...
nailer 8y ago
Do you think pointing out someone else appears to have stock opinions and doesn't actually think about the world around them is "shouting fire in a crowded theatre"?
- pcbro141 8y ago
  Spreading the wrong voting day is. The mockery is fine, but I don't see anything ridiculous about Twitter not tolerating voter suppression campaigns on their platform.
  - nailer 8y ago
    Do you think: https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/10/17/business/17NPC/17NPC-superJumbo.jpg https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/10/17/business/17NPC/17... looks like a source of trustworthy information?
    - pcbro141 8y ago
      I guess Twitter took a zero-tolerance stance against voter suppression campaigns, whether the accounts involved are clearly satirical or not. They just flat out don't want people using their platform to spread the wrong election date, even if spreading the wrong election date is just 'trolling' or 'satire' or 'expressing my opinion on the liberals' to some. Again, I don't find that stance ridiculous.
      - castlecrasher2 8y ago
        Equating joke accounts spreading the wrong election date with voter suppression is just laughable. How could anyone possibly believe an NPC Twitter account? How stupid would they have to be?
wowzap 8y ago
This is the kind of post the NPC meme is parodying. Instead of parroting mindless talking points, why don't you learn about the history of the quote "shouting fire in a movie theater"? Learn about Schenck decision and how "shouting fire in a movie theater" was used to justify a criminal offense against individuals distributing anti-draft flyers to military-aged men. YES. Common anti-draft speech practiced wherever today was once as dangerous as what you're implying. This decision's first amendment implication was finally overturned in Brandenburg v. Ohio in 1969. Make up your own mind, and form your own opinions. This meme is not dangerous, it's exposing a dangerous pattern. A pattern of people parroting simplistic ideas with no knowledge of the context involved. A pattern which effects most sides of the political aisle. Don't be an NPC, learn and grow, become a player.
smsm42 8y ago
Except there's no crowded theater and no fire. It's time to put that rusty excuse to rest - the fact that some speech can cause bad consequences in extremely specific narrow case does not mean that now you can justify any speech restriction by "but fire in theater! Checkmate, free speech!"

For the 1,000,000th time: you can't shout "fire" in a crowded theater and call it "satire" either.

jessaustin 8y ago

Repeating it all those times hasn't made it true.

heavenlyhash 8y ago
... What? Edit: Oh, your profile says " "obvious troll" ". Okay then. Checks out.
- jessaustin 8y ago
  Since your ability to educate yourself has been exhausted at a single misreading of irony, others will do it for you: https://www.popehat.com/2012/09/19/three-generations-of-a-hackneyed-apologia-for-censorship-are-enough/ https://www.popehat.com/2012/09/19/three-generations-of-a-ha...

nailer 8y ago

Do you think pointing out someone else appears to have stock opinions and doesn't actually think about the world around them is "shouting fire in a crowded theatre"?

pcbro141 8y ago
Spreading the wrong voting day is. The mockery is fine, but I don't see anything ridiculous about Twitter not tolerating voter suppression campaigns on their platform.
- nailer 8y ago
  Do you think: https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/10/17/business/17NPC/17NPC-superJumbo.jpg https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/10/17/business/17NPC/17... looks like a source of trustworthy information?
  - pcbro141 8y ago
    I guess Twitter took a zero-tolerance stance against voter suppression campaigns, whether the accounts involved are clearly satirical or not. They just flat out don't want people using their platform to spread the wrong election date, even if spreading the wrong election date is just 'trolling' or 'satire' or 'expressing my opinion on the liberals' to some. Again, I don't find that stance ridiculous.
    - castlecrasher2 8y ago
      Equating joke accounts spreading the wrong election date with voter suppression is just laughable. How could anyone possibly believe an NPC Twitter account? How stupid would they have to be?

wowzap 8y ago

This is the kind of post the NPC meme is parodying. Instead of parroting mindless talking points, why don't you learn about the history of the quote "shouting fire in a movie theater"? Learn about Schenck decision and how "shouting fire in a movie theater" was used to justify a criminal offense against individuals distributing anti-draft flyers to military-aged men. YES. Common anti-draft speech practiced wherever today was once as dangerous as what you're implying. This decision's first amendment implication was finally overturned in Brandenburg v. Ohio in 1969. Make up your own mind, and form your own opinions. This meme is not dangerous, it's exposing a dangerous pattern. A pattern of people parroting simplistic ideas with no knowledge of the context involved. A pattern which effects most sides of the political aisle. Don't be an NPC, learn and grow, become a player.

smsm42 8y ago

Except there's no crowded theater and no fire. It's time to put that rusty excuse to rest - the fact that some speech can cause bad consequences in extremely specific narrow case does not mean that now you can justify any speech restriction by "but fire in theater! Checkmate, free speech!"