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>I don't see a single reason why you can be forced to incriminate yourself. While thread didn't really get into citizenship, if you're aren't a citizen of the
by xoa 8y ago
>I don't see a single reason why you can be forced to incriminate yourself.
While thread didn't really get into citizenship, if you're aren't a citizen of the state in question you have no right of entry. The state has the right to ask for any information they wish and set criteria for entry as they wish. It's not a matter of "incrimination" as in you go to jail, it's a matter of obtaining permission for entry, you have no "right to remain silent". And in a democratic state I don't think that's immoral either. Knowing is in fact their business, and if it shouldn't be then the government should tell its border controls to not inquire at all.
>I would happily say "no" and smile if I was you when asked about what you did in a different country that they have no business knowing.
Obviously as a practical matter there are many situations where the odds of getting caught are minimal to non-existent, but I would be very cautious about casually committing perjury. Particularly in this worrying day and age of photos everywhere and ever increasing ML that can actually make sense of it and centralized datasets that governments may be able to gain access to. For example, particularly when the behavior is made legal I'd expect there to be a lot more people who post pictures of themselves using cannabis or not being concerned if someone else in the picture is because of course it's legal. Combine with spreading facial recognition and person tagging on places like Facebook and advertising (since it's legalized) that will be actively and legally interested in "is so-and-so a user so we can sell them related products" and someone could quite easily end up in a database saying "confirmed to use cannabis" without ever knowing. There are many times where "the coverup is worse then the crime" is quite true, and something that would merely get you politely or not so politely turned away would turn into a serious crime by lying about it. You can't know when an authority is asking you something out of actual interest vs a question they know the answer to already just to test you.
Honesty and political pressure seems better in this specific case given that it's not like there isn't already a major legalization movement in the US too. Canada is an extremely important business partner and source of tourism and ally. If enough Canadians were denied entry over this then even under this administration pressure to simply change the rules to ignore it would be very high. If not under this one then when the Democrats retake control.
- VLM 8y ago"if you're aren't a citizen of the state in question you have no right of entry." There's a huge racial component. Essentially all of this "you're not allowed to" talk is strictly for white people only.
- coryfklein 8y agoI had to re-read the parent after seeing your comment. Are you saying: 1) It is racist to deny a non-citizen entry 2) Fuzzy rules for entry allow room for racial bias 3) Something else?