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The title needs to be fixed to just "Pijul". The word "Rust" does not appear on the linked page, nor is Pijul "Rust-based" in any meaningful sense. It is softwa

The title needs to be fixed to just "Pijul". The word "Rust" does not appear on the linked page, nor is Pijul "Rust-based" in any meaningful sense. It is software that happens to be implemented in Rust but could be implemented in any other language. If Pijul is "X-based" for any value of X, that X would be "category theory" (though that term doesn't appear on the page either).

camdenreslink 8y ago
It’s an open source project. Maybe the implementation language is mentioned for hackers (this is HackerNews afterall) who might want to contribute?
- tom_mellior 8y ago
  True, but the submission guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) say: "[...] please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize". Adding the programming language to the title is editorializing (or more probably fishing for the Rust camp's upvotes). The submitter is free to comment on their own submission and editorialize there.
  - KirinDave 8y ago
    Nothing about this title is false or even disputable. It's a Rust-based version control system. Please take your language hate elsewhere, it's not constructive here. If you have a problem with Rust or its community, wait for an appropriate thread to editorialize here rather than invoking the rules in a way that's contrary to their common interpretation or enforcement, as if you've got some sort of authority.
    - forgottenpass 8y ago
      >language hate Parent poster raised the possibility that OP's motivation for editorializing in the title was to make it more attractive to a set of readers. How exactly does that count as "hate"? HN generally discourages titles that differ from the source materiel. OP added the bit about Rust. You're deflecting.
      - KirinDave 8y ago
        > Parent poster raised the possibility that OP's motivation for editorializing in the title was to make it more attractive to a set of readers. How exactly does that count as "hate" these days? Why is additional factual data "editorializing"? Why is it a problem to say, "Oh and hey this is written in Rust?" What's actually immoral about engaging people capable of reading Rust to learn more about revision control? This is Hacker News. Everything here is for the edification of folks interesting in software, its venues and applications. That seems to be good for posts to do. Folks who can read Rust will have extra reason to check out a worthy project, and perhaps look at how it works. Disseminating that kind of knowledge is precisely the kind of positive outcome sites like this look to drive. I think it's "hate" because the only people mad about mentioning Rust so far have directly cited the idea that it's unfair to engage the Rust community on this site. It's difficult to even pick through the layers of this statement, it's so densely networked with bizarre assumptions. Thus, in my opinion it's language hate because the complaint is not, "This story would not be relevant without mentioning Rust," the complaint is, "This story's title shouldn't mention an interesting and important point." It very much seems like the goal is to suppress mentioning Rust, not to enforce a bizarre and unconventional reading of the rules. > OP added the bit about Rust. You're deflecting. I'm not deflecting that at all. I'm challenging the assertion that it's a rules violation or "editorializing". I've been here quite awhile and engaged with the mods a whole bunch, and I've never once seen "salient technical info" be marked as "editorializing." The Pijul folks make no secret of their use of Rust, and they're happy to talk about why they chosen it and why they like it.
        tom_mellior 8y ago
        >>> as if you've got some sort of authority If I had the authority to change the title, I would have done it. As it is, I only claim the "authority" to point out that the submitted title should be changed in accordance with the guidelines; something that others often do as well. > a bizarre and unconventional reading of the rules. The rule as quoted is "[...] please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize". I read that as an actual rule ("use the original title") with a qualification (the clickbait part) and an additional statement about editorializing that only reinforces the rule. We can drop that last part if you like. In that case, the rule is (still) "use the original title". How am I reading this in a bizarre and unconventional way? > Folks who can read Rust will have extra reason to check out a worthy project, and perhaps look at how it works. Yes. And if OP had added the bit about category theory, then folks interested in category theory would have extra reason to check Pijul out. If OP had added that Pijul is on a Darcs-like concept of an algebra of patches, folks interested in Darcs would have extra reason to check it out, etc. Picking and choosing what additional -- even factual -- info to add or not to add to the original title is edito^H^H^H^Hexactly what the guidelines say that a submitter should not do. > The Pijul folks make no secret of their use of Rust, and they're happy to talk about why they chosen it and why they like it. A page about that would make a great HN submission. The page submitted here is not that page; as I pointed out, it never mentions Rust anywhere.
mdgrech23 8y ago
Guys I found the grammer nazi. Geez chill out man.
- dagenix 8y ago
  What did the parent comment say that you disagree with?
  - stouset 8y ago
    One can be accurate while still being unnecessarily pedantic.
- dang 8y ago
  Can you please stop breaking the guidelines? We ban accounts that won't. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
tjoff 8y ago
Rust is new and seeing stuff implemented in it is value on its own. It also might be an indication of the maturity of the language and it might be an indication that the fact that the authors chose a niche language is because their goals with this project aligns with the programming language. I'd say that a VCS is a good fit for rust. If this was written in javascript I wouldn't have been interested.

camdenreslink 8y ago

It’s an open source project. Maybe the implementation language is mentioned for hackers (this is HackerNews afterall) who might want to contribute?

tom_mellior 8y ago
True, but the submission guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) say: "[...] please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize". Adding the programming language to the title is editorializing (or more probably fishing for the Rust camp's upvotes). The submitter is free to comment on their own submission and editorialize there.
- KirinDave 8y ago
  Nothing about this title is false or even disputable. It's a Rust-based version control system. Please take your language hate elsewhere, it's not constructive here. If you have a problem with Rust or its community, wait for an appropriate thread to editorialize here rather than invoking the rules in a way that's contrary to their common interpretation or enforcement, as if you've got some sort of authority.
  - forgottenpass 8y ago
    >language hate Parent poster raised the possibility that OP's motivation for editorializing in the title was to make it more attractive to a set of readers. How exactly does that count as "hate"? HN generally discourages titles that differ from the source materiel. OP added the bit about Rust. You're deflecting.
    - KirinDave 8y ago
      > Parent poster raised the possibility that OP's motivation for editorializing in the title was to make it more attractive to a set of readers. How exactly does that count as "hate" these days? Why is additional factual data "editorializing"? Why is it a problem to say, "Oh and hey this is written in Rust?" What's actually immoral about engaging people capable of reading Rust to learn more about revision control? This is Hacker News. Everything here is for the edification of folks interesting in software, its venues and applications. That seems to be good for posts to do. Folks who can read Rust will have extra reason to check out a worthy project, and perhaps look at how it works. Disseminating that kind of knowledge is precisely the kind of positive outcome sites like this look to drive. I think it's "hate" because the only people mad about mentioning Rust so far have directly cited the idea that it's unfair to engage the Rust community on this site. It's difficult to even pick through the layers of this statement, it's so densely networked with bizarre assumptions. Thus, in my opinion it's language hate because the complaint is not, "This story would not be relevant without mentioning Rust," the complaint is, "This story's title shouldn't mention an interesting and important point." It very much seems like the goal is to suppress mentioning Rust, not to enforce a bizarre and unconventional reading of the rules. > OP added the bit about Rust. You're deflecting. I'm not deflecting that at all. I'm challenging the assertion that it's a rules violation or "editorializing". I've been here quite awhile and engaged with the mods a whole bunch, and I've never once seen "salient technical info" be marked as "editorializing." The Pijul folks make no secret of their use of Rust, and they're happy to talk about why they chosen it and why they like it.
      - tom_mellior 8y ago
        >>> as if you've got some sort of authority If I had the authority to change the title, I would have done it. As it is, I only claim the "authority" to point out that the submitted title should be changed in accordance with the guidelines; something that others often do as well. > a bizarre and unconventional reading of the rules. The rule as quoted is "[...] please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize". I read that as an actual rule ("use the original title") with a qualification (the clickbait part) and an additional statement about editorializing that only reinforces the rule. We can drop that last part if you like. In that case, the rule is (still) "use the original title". How am I reading this in a bizarre and unconventional way? > Folks who can read Rust will have extra reason to check out a worthy project, and perhaps look at how it works. Yes. And if OP had added the bit about category theory, then folks interested in category theory would have extra reason to check Pijul out. If OP had added that Pijul is on a Darcs-like concept of an algebra of patches, folks interested in Darcs would have extra reason to check it out, etc. Picking and choosing what additional -- even factual -- info to add or not to add to the original title is edito^H^H^H^Hexactly what the guidelines say that a submitter should not do. > The Pijul folks make no secret of their use of Rust, and they're happy to talk about why they chosen it and why they like it. A page about that would make a great HN submission. The page submitted here is not that page; as I pointed out, it never mentions Rust anywhere.

mdgrech23 8y ago

Guys I found the grammer nazi. Geez chill out man.

dagenix 8y ago
What did the parent comment say that you disagree with?
- stouset 8y ago
  One can be accurate while still being unnecessarily pedantic.
dang 8y ago
Can you please stop breaking the guidelines? We ban accounts that won't. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

tjoff 8y ago

Rust is new and seeing stuff implemented in it is value on its own. It also might be an indication of the maturity of the language and it might be an indication that the fact that the authors chose a niche language is because their goals with this project aligns with the programming language. I'd say that a VCS is a good fit for rust. If this was written in javascript I wouldn't have been interested.