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I am a linux fan. But I must admit that C#/.net/VS is one of the best development platforms available. Besides that they have just released F# with VS2010 which

by kia 16y ago

I am a linux fan. But I must admit that C#/.net/VS is one of the best development platforms available. Besides that they have just released F# with VS2010 which is kind of 'Language for Geeks' in MS world.

bbraakman 16y ago
Yes, I agree - VS is a nice development platform. But it is mainly designed to develop for the Microsoft platform. (though even that is changing a lot bit and they are going more the "Eclipse IDE" path now.
- wanderr 16y ago
  I haven't kept up with VS since it also doesn't apply to my target platform, when you say that is changing do you mean it /has/ changed in the latest version, or that it will be changing soon?
slantyyz 16y ago
Agreed. I'm a Mac fan who misses having a native VS style IDE. I've been using Netbeans, which has a bit of the user experience I'm looking for, but seems a little slothlike to me.
- rbanffy 16y ago
  I regard NetBeans as a very capable IDE. Consider that VS has, probably, lots of hand-tuned x86 assembly in its guts while NetBeans is nice and portable Java. You could probably run it on an Azul box. I know. It's an excuse for a perceived lower performance, but it's better to progress slowly in the right direction than to rush at warp speed into the vendor lock-in you seem to have escaped ;-)
  - slantyyz 16y ago
    I like the Netbeans user experience, but at times I do wish it was a native app. The 'swinginess' of it can make it a bit of an eyesore. IIRC, Netbeans was the first editor on the Mac that I found where I could just select and hit tab to indent the selection block without having to change any settings. All the other Mac apps I tried would just replace the text with a tab. Coming off of Windows text editors, it was a huge nuisance to me.
    - rbanffy 16y ago
      > The 'swinginess' of it can make it a bit of an eyesore. Come on. It's not that bad. Doesn't it default to native look and feel on Macs? I think it does in Windows and it did last time I used it on Linux.
      - slantyyz 16y ago
        Esthetically, it definitely is a notch below Coda, another native IDE I use. It really doesn't look very Mac-like. It's tolerable, or I wouldn't use it, but that's as kind as I can get in describing it.
- melling 16y ago
  IntelliJ is faster than Netbeans. Download the free version and give it a try. http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/download http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/download Netbeans performance has gotten better in recent versions. Probably worth keeping an eye on the updates.
rbanffy 16y ago
VS is (and has been since I know it) a great technical achievement. It more or less takes the pain out of Windows development. However, it's very Windows-centric (hardly unexpected) and Windows is really not relevant in my current work - mostly Python/Django on Linux on a mostly PHP/Java shop. I don't do C# nor deploy against .NET and it would take a lot of convincing before being allowed to deploy a Windows server in our farm. Even a deployment on Mono would have to be justified, since there isn't much difference, application-wise, between a Mono stack and a Java one.

by kia 16y ago

bbraakman 16y ago

Yes, I agree - VS is a nice development platform. But it is mainly designed to develop for the Microsoft platform. (though even that is changing a lot bit and they are going more the "Eclipse IDE" path now.

wanderr 16y ago
I haven't kept up with VS since it also doesn't apply to my target platform, when you say that is changing do you mean it /has/ changed in the latest version, or that it will be changing soon?

slantyyz 16y ago

Agreed. I'm a Mac fan who misses having a native VS style IDE. I've been using Netbeans, which has a bit of the user experience I'm looking for, but seems a little slothlike to me.

rbanffy 16y ago
I regard NetBeans as a very capable IDE. Consider that VS has, probably, lots of hand-tuned x86 assembly in its guts while NetBeans is nice and portable Java. You could probably run it on an Azul box. I know. It's an excuse for a perceived lower performance, but it's better to progress slowly in the right direction than to rush at warp speed into the vendor lock-in you seem to have escaped ;-)
- slantyyz 16y ago
  I like the Netbeans user experience, but at times I do wish it was a native app. The 'swinginess' of it can make it a bit of an eyesore. IIRC, Netbeans was the first editor on the Mac that I found where I could just select and hit tab to indent the selection block without having to change any settings. All the other Mac apps I tried would just replace the text with a tab. Coming off of Windows text editors, it was a huge nuisance to me.
  - rbanffy 16y ago
    > The 'swinginess' of it can make it a bit of an eyesore. Come on. It's not that bad. Doesn't it default to native look and feel on Macs? I think it does in Windows and it did last time I used it on Linux.
    - slantyyz 16y ago
      Esthetically, it definitely is a notch below Coda, another native IDE I use. It really doesn't look very Mac-like. It's tolerable, or I wouldn't use it, but that's as kind as I can get in describing it.
melling 16y ago
IntelliJ is faster than Netbeans. Download the free version and give it a try. http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/download http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/download Netbeans performance has gotten better in recent versions. Probably worth keeping an eye on the updates.

rbanffy 16y ago

VS is (and has been since I know it) a great technical achievement. It more or less takes the pain out of Windows development. However, it's very Windows-centric (hardly unexpected) and Windows is really not relevant in my current work - mostly Python/Django on Linux on a mostly PHP/Java shop. I don't do C# nor deploy against .NET and it would take a lot of convincing before being allowed to deploy a Windows server in our farm. Even a deployment on Mono would have to be justified, since there isn't much difference, application-wise, between a Mono stack and a Java one.