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Your statement reads in a pretty funny way: > This seems fairly reasonable... > ...as long as they keep the commitment... I mean, I feel as if everything see

by rayvy 8y ago

Your statement reads in a pretty funny way: > This seems fairly reasonable... > ...as long as they keep the commitment... I mean, I feel as if everything seems reasonable as long as the original commitment is kept. Thing is, the original commitment is rarely if ever kept at all. This is nothing more than a problem waiting to happen, as are most things where large bureaucracies involve themselves. Once I read that the data is completely unencrypted (oh, I can do a man-in-the middle and just send my own backend a copy of this video stream? awesome!) and anyone's face (i.e., those simply walking by) could potentially be recorded, I pretty much gave up any hope of this working responsibly. But hey, just read another comment about Walmart apparently sending surveillance video to the Feds (which sounds like a very Walmart thing to do actually), so apparently we have larger issues to deal with.

adrr 8y ago
If I was Amazon or any other security cam company, my biggest fear would be government using my equipment to spy on customers. Because if that ever became public, it would kill adoption. If I was Amazon, I'd be lobbying to codify protections against warrantless surveillance and mass pulls of data.
- jschwartzi 8y ago
  Why not just design a system where you do not have access to the data? Using symmetric encryption it's possible for you to create a system where only the end customer can decrypt any of the data. Because of the mathematics involved it's effectively impossible for you to respond to a subpoena and law enforcement must make requests of each customer individually.
  - adrr 8y ago
    You'll lose lots of functionality since the provider just becomes dumb storage. I am not sure how you would even do machine learning on the data, you can't put it on the device unless it had its own massive storage and rings are just dumb battery powered cameras. You'll need a host device to crunch data before shipping it off to cloud for storage.

by rayvy 8y ago

adrr 8y ago

If I was Amazon or any other security cam company, my biggest fear would be government using my equipment to spy on customers. Because if that ever became public, it would kill adoption. If I was Amazon, I'd be lobbying to codify protections against warrantless surveillance and mass pulls of data.

jschwartzi 8y ago
Why not just design a system where you do not have access to the data? Using symmetric encryption it's possible for you to create a system where only the end customer can decrypt any of the data. Because of the mathematics involved it's effectively impossible for you to respond to a subpoena and law enforcement must make requests of each customer individually.
- adrr 8y ago
  You'll lose lots of functionality since the provider just becomes dumb storage. I am not sure how you would even do machine learning on the data, you can't put it on the device unless it had its own massive storage and rings are just dumb battery powered cameras. You'll need a host device to crunch data before shipping it off to cloud for storage.