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A lot of AWS's managed services are just off the shelf open source projects on the backend. Amazon can afford to fork the project and poach top talent from you

A lot of AWS's managed services are just off the shelf open source projects on the backend. Amazon can afford to fork the project and poach top talent from your company. I think these moves are extremely short-sighted. Changing license models only causes instability in the overall ecosystem.

samfisher83 8y ago
Why doesn't Amazon just pay mongodb? If you you hired some employees from mongo you would have to pay money.
- wmf 8y ago
  Because Amazon is all about squeezing every penny out of their supply chain.
- sangnoir 8y ago
  Predictability: who's to say what MongoDB will decide in the future e.g. ask for more money and/or charge per vCPU + memory. Employing developers directly, on the other hand: here's an offer and vesting schedule - they know exactly how much they will spend for 3+ years, and get to control the roadmap.
NathanKP 8y ago
> A lot of AWS's managed services are just off the shelf open source projects on the backend. Amazon employee here. Amazon offers two different types of service. For a service like Amazon RDS then yes it is the standard open source project hosted and managed by AWS. The value add is that you don't have to administrate and back it up, etc. For something like Amazon Aurora its a different story. Aurora is API compatible with MySQL and Postgres but it is designed internally to work quite differently, really designed for the cloud first. And the result is its up to 5x faster than the standard open source software and just better than the open source version in many ways. Both as a former customer of AWS and now as an engineer at AWS I have always preferred the from scratch implementations by AWS over the hosted open source versions. I'd rather not use a forked version of open source. I'd rather use something built by AWS engineers from the ground up
- anarazel 8y ago
  > For something like Amazon Aurora its a different story. Aurora is API compatible with MySQL and Postgres but it is designed internally to work quite differently, really designed for the cloud first. And the result is its up to 5x faster than the standard open source software and just better than the open source version in many ways. It's also noticably slower than plain PG in other cases.
  - ddorian43 8y ago
    As the cloud often is.

samfisher83 8y ago

Why doesn't Amazon just pay mongodb? If you you hired some employees from mongo you would have to pay money.

wmf 8y ago
Because Amazon is all about squeezing every penny out of their supply chain.
sangnoir 8y ago
Predictability: who's to say what MongoDB will decide in the future e.g. ask for more money and/or charge per vCPU + memory. Employing developers directly, on the other hand: here's an offer and vesting schedule - they know exactly how much they will spend for 3+ years, and get to control the roadmap.

NathanKP 8y ago

> A lot of AWS's managed services are just off the shelf open source projects on the backend. Amazon employee here. Amazon offers two different types of service. For a service like Amazon RDS then yes it is the standard open source project hosted and managed by AWS. The value add is that you don't have to administrate and back it up, etc. For something like Amazon Aurora its a different story. Aurora is API compatible with MySQL and Postgres but it is designed internally to work quite differently, really designed for the cloud first. And the result is its up to 5x faster than the standard open source software and just better than the open source version in many ways. Both as a former customer of AWS and now as an engineer at AWS I have always preferred the from scratch implementations by AWS over the hosted open source versions. I'd rather not use a forked version of open source. I'd rather use something built by AWS engineers from the ground up

anarazel 8y ago
> For something like Amazon Aurora its a different story. Aurora is API compatible with MySQL and Postgres but it is designed internally to work quite differently, really designed for the cloud first. And the result is its up to 5x faster than the standard open source software and just better than the open source version in many ways. It's also noticably slower than plain PG in other cases.
- ddorian43 8y ago
  As the cloud often is.