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> I'm already a vegan and don't drive much Since 71% of pollution is coming from 100 companies[1] I don't think that you can stop global warming by being vegan

> I'm already a vegan and don't drive much Since 71% of pollution is coming from 100 companies[1] I don't think that you can stop global warming by being vegan or driving less. Blaming us single individuals is easy, but we a are not directly responsible for this. The most we can do is stop buying stuff from these polluting companies. [1]https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10/100-fossil-fuel-companies-investors-responsible-71-global-emissions-cdp-study-climate-change https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/jul/10...

Arnt 8y ago
So I went back to the original PDF, https://b8f65cb373b1b7b15feb-c70d8ead6ced550b4d987d7c03fcdd1d.ssl.cf3.rackcdn.com/cms/reports/documents/000/002/327/original/Carbon-Majors-Report-2017.pdf https://b8f65cb373b1b7b15feb-c70d8ead6ced550b4d987d7c03fcdd1..., to look at the list. I see lots of companies that sell oil there. Or coal. Or things. But none that really emit pollution as a side effect. Someone like 3M could pollute less by changing the way it produces each packet of yellow stickers. The pollution is a side effect, it's something the company can change by internal decisions. Someone like Shell cannot pollute less by selling 1l of petroleum (I assume that pollution during production is a rounding error in this context). The pollution is inherent in the product sold. The act of polluting is identical with the act of selling. Which implies that your last sentence should be "the most we can do is stop buying polluting products".
- chewz 8y ago
  > The act of polluting is identical with the act of selling. The act of polluting is identical with the act of consuming.
  - Arnt 8y ago
    For the final customer, yes.
lolsal 8y ago
> Blaming us single individuals is easy, but we a are not directly responsible for this Companies are comprised of people. Governments are comprised of people. We absolutely are responsible and we have the power to do something about it. Stop being so passive and dismissive, if you care.
- AstralStorm 8y ago
  People with power have more, much more say than a typical person. Unfortunately, many of them are sociopaths or just do not care if there is no direct gain for them. Are you advocating for general strikes here?
  - lolsal 8y ago
    > Are you advocating for general strikes here? I'm saying a passive approach may give you a moral high but it doesn't actually do anything. Saying "Only someone else can fix this problem." is part of the problem, not the solution.
- y0ghur7_xxx 8y ago
  >> Blaming us single individuals is easy, but we a are not directly responsible for this > Companies are comprised of people. Governments are comprised of people. We absolutely are responsible and we have the power to do something about it. Stop being so passive and dismissive, if you care. So what do you suggest? Blow those 100 companies up with TNT?
LifeLiverTransp 8y ago
The individual approach is part of the divide and conquer method used as a defensive of the capitalistic system.
femidav 8y ago
CO2 isn't pollution. CO2 is causing massive greening of the earth.

Arnt 8y ago

So I went back to the original PDF, https://b8f65cb373b1b7b15feb-c70d8ead6ced550b4d987d7c03fcdd1d.ssl.cf3.rackcdn.com/cms/reports/documents/000/002/327/original/Carbon-Majors-Report-2017.pdf https://b8f65cb373b1b7b15feb-c70d8ead6ced550b4d987d7c03fcdd1..., to look at the list. I see lots of companies that sell oil there. Or coal. Or things. But none that really emit pollution as a side effect. Someone like 3M could pollute less by changing the way it produces each packet of yellow stickers. The pollution is a side effect, it's something the company can change by internal decisions. Someone like Shell cannot pollute less by selling 1l of petroleum (I assume that pollution during production is a rounding error in this context). The pollution is inherent in the product sold. The act of polluting is identical with the act of selling. Which implies that your last sentence should be "the most we can do is stop buying polluting products".

chewz 8y ago
> The act of polluting is identical with the act of selling. The act of polluting is identical with the act of consuming.
- Arnt 8y ago
  For the final customer, yes.

lolsal 8y ago

> Blaming us single individuals is easy, but we a are not directly responsible for this Companies are comprised of people. Governments are comprised of people. We absolutely are responsible and we have the power to do something about it. Stop being so passive and dismissive, if you care.

AstralStorm 8y ago
People with power have more, much more say than a typical person. Unfortunately, many of them are sociopaths or just do not care if there is no direct gain for them. Are you advocating for general strikes here?
- lolsal 8y ago
  > Are you advocating for general strikes here? I'm saying a passive approach may give you a moral high but it doesn't actually do anything. Saying "Only someone else can fix this problem." is part of the problem, not the solution.
y0ghur7_xxx 8y ago
>> Blaming us single individuals is easy, but we a are not directly responsible for this > Companies are comprised of people. Governments are comprised of people. We absolutely are responsible and we have the power to do something about it. Stop being so passive and dismissive, if you care. So what do you suggest? Blow those 100 companies up with TNT?

LifeLiverTransp 8y ago

The individual approach is part of the divide and conquer method used as a defensive of the capitalistic system.

femidav 8y ago

CO2 isn't pollution. CO2 is causing massive greening of the earth.