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Everything wikileaks does is not Hacker News. This is just "news."

fbcocq 16y ago
Actually, the fact that it's obviously important that the people, who administer and have access to your IT infrastructure, think what you're doing is legal and moral, is rather interesting. Ignoring the content of these files for a while, it seems to me that nobody is too concerned with the fact that the US government managed to lose 400.000 secret documents and what implications this might have for future conflicts.
- Locke1689 16y ago
  Right -- but there's a lot of important stuff that isn't Hacker News. Just because it affects people doesn't make it Hacker News and just because it involves the Internet definitely doesn't make it Hacker News.
  - babeKnuth 16y ago
    see my reply above for hopeful clarification on how wikileaks is different from your typical "important stuff". http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1828531 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1828531
babeKnuth 16y ago
everything wikileaks has done is not only more "news" than hacker news, but also more "hacker" than hacker news.
- Locke1689 16y ago
  That's a pretty worthless comment if you don't have justification for either of those two points. I see you haven't been here long, though, and your karma seems to be reflecting that you don't really get HN yet, so if you're just trolling you can ignore this comment.
  - babeKnuth 16y ago
    i'm not sure what you mean by "worthless". it's just taking the two terms and going by their def'n. seems fairly obvious. news - wikileaks provides information to the public hacker - ummmmm, i'd have to ask you what your def'n is here. this is just fairly obvious. a lot of their data is acquired through electronic means. p.s. i don't post often (not much time), and i've been here quite a while. my karma is due to one comment making a digital underground reference not many people got (look it up). that's all irrelevant tho (only people with X karma and X years on hn are qualified to post?).
    - Locke1689 16y ago
      hacker - ummmmm, i'd have to ask you what your def'n is here. this is just fairly obvious. a lot of their data is acquired through electronic means. My definition certainly doesn't end at "uses electronics." Today I turned on a light. Should I describe the contents of my room? It was information gathered through electronic means.
  - babeKnuth 16y ago
    also, from hn guidelines http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html "When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. E.g. "That is an idiotic thing to say; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3."" so i guess you don't get hn either....
    - Locke1689 16y ago
      My annoyance may have gotten the better of me, but I stand by my claim that your post essentially boiled down to "nu-uh, it totally does!" Pointing out that you need to make an actual argument to convince people doesn't seem outrageous to me. As far as calling names was concerned, I actually suspected that you were just trolling me.
      - babeKnuth 16y ago
        no prob. wasn't trolling. apologies for the pithy comment if it came across as such. main point was that wikileaks, for me, provides much more insight/info/"bootstrapping-a-new-source-of-news" than most of the stuff i see on hn. hence, i'd rather keep it's presence on here than have it removed. (again, it might only be me that's interested in such things, but judging from some of the comments, it looks like i'm not alone). whether you agree or disagree with the tone/perspective of wikileaks, they are a resource of information that is "changing the industry" (or whatever hollow cliche is usually spouted up by VCs/investors). hence by either interpretation of "hacker news" (either strictly an entrepreneurial/start-up resource or something akin to 2600), their activities/approaches can be insightful to some of us.

Actually, the fact that it's obviously important that the people, who administer and have access to your IT infrastructure, think what you're doing is legal and moral, is rather interesting. Ignoring the content of these files for a while, it seems to me that nobody is too concerned with the fact that the US government managed to lose 400.000 secret documents and what implications this might have for future conflicts.

Locke1689 16y ago
Right -- but there's a lot of important stuff that isn't Hacker News. Just because it affects people doesn't make it Hacker News and just because it involves the Internet definitely doesn't make it Hacker News.
- babeKnuth 16y ago
  see my reply above for hopeful clarification on how wikileaks is different from your typical "important stuff". http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1828531 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1828531

babeKnuth 16y ago

everything wikileaks has done is not only more "news" than hacker news, but also more "hacker" than hacker news.

Locke1689 16y ago
That's a pretty worthless comment if you don't have justification for either of those two points. I see you haven't been here long, though, and your karma seems to be reflecting that you don't really get HN yet, so if you're just trolling you can ignore this comment.
- babeKnuth 16y ago
  i'm not sure what you mean by "worthless". it's just taking the two terms and going by their def'n. seems fairly obvious. news - wikileaks provides information to the public hacker - ummmmm, i'd have to ask you what your def'n is here. this is just fairly obvious. a lot of their data is acquired through electronic means. p.s. i don't post often (not much time), and i've been here quite a while. my karma is due to one comment making a digital underground reference not many people got (look it up). that's all irrelevant tho (only people with X karma and X years on hn are qualified to post?).
  - Locke1689 16y ago
    hacker - ummmmm, i'd have to ask you what your def'n is here. this is just fairly obvious. a lot of their data is acquired through electronic means. My definition certainly doesn't end at "uses electronics." Today I turned on a light. Should I describe the contents of my room? It was information gathered through electronic means.
- babeKnuth 16y ago
  also, from hn guidelines http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html "When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. E.g. "That is an idiotic thing to say; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3."" so i guess you don't get hn either....
  - Locke1689 16y ago
    My annoyance may have gotten the better of me, but I stand by my claim that your post essentially boiled down to "nu-uh, it totally does!" Pointing out that you need to make an actual argument to convince people doesn't seem outrageous to me. As far as calling names was concerned, I actually suspected that you were just trolling me.
    - babeKnuth 16y ago
      no prob. wasn't trolling. apologies for the pithy comment if it came across as such. main point was that wikileaks, for me, provides much more insight/info/"bootstrapping-a-new-source-of-news" than most of the stuff i see on hn. hence, i'd rather keep it's presence on here than have it removed. (again, it might only be me that's interested in such things, but judging from some of the comments, it looks like i'm not alone). whether you agree or disagree with the tone/perspective of wikileaks, they are a resource of information that is "changing the industry" (or whatever hollow cliche is usually spouted up by VCs/investors). hence by either interpretation of "hacker news" (either strictly an entrepreneurial/start-up resource or something akin to 2600), their activities/approaches can be insightful to some of us.