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Because Tech is a "profession" and if you think we are you obviously haven't seen how other professions Architects for example and Journalists have a very high

Because Tech is a "profession" and if you think we are you obviously haven't seen how other professions Architects for example and Journalists have a very high opinion of them selves.

galfarragem 8y ago
All idealists have an high opinion of themselves.
- solveit 8y ago
  Journalists, idealists, pick one
aesclepius 8y ago
Come to the medical field, and it's all the way down.
rswail 8y ago
Except that Tech isn't a profession. Professions have bodies that establish and enforce professional standards and appropriate evaluations and credentials. Programmers that call themselves "engineers" are fooling themselves. Unless they are doing the sort of programming that the NASA shuttle team used, none of us are "engineers".
- walshemj 8y ago
  In the UK The BCS and IEEE would beg to differ. And a profession is not just the piece of paper its about social standing and relative pay rates. And anyone with a degree who works in there field is a "engineer" even though the number that go for full Chartered status is a small minority - and that is more about who you know not what you know.
  - gaius 8y ago
    The BCS The BCS is a complete joke, completely irrelevant to anyone working in the field, I have no idea how it still exists or what it actually does for practitioners or for the industry.
- GFischer 8y ago
  Here in Uruguay if you wish to call yourself an "engineer" you need to have an accredited engineering degree. There is a career called C.S. Engineer and it has an huge amount of math and physics (equivalent to an undergrad + master's in the U.S.). Most of us take the career that's equivalent to an undergraduate degree though, the extra math (and grueling attrition) is mostly useless. But graduates are very sought after because they've proven themselves able to go through a tough grind (even though they don't have a shred of practical experience after graduating)
ionised 8y ago
Software development is not one of the 'Professions', and never will be until it has a governing body and some degree of accountability for the shoddy work they can put out.
- walshemj 8y ago
  They do all countries have certifying bodies for engineers and admit it professionals. I never bothered going that route as the BCS kept changing their minds on qualifying experience and the rules and actually don't do anything concreate for their members unlike say the BMA does for doctors. So honest Q here if you feel so strongly why haven't you got your Ceng / E status
  - ionised 8y ago
    > So honest Q here if you feel so strongly why haven't you got your Ceng / E status I don't feel strongly about it. I don't need people to call me an engineer, because I'm not an engineer and I have no intention of being one. I'm a software developer, which is very different.
gaius 8y ago
Because Tech is a "profession" If this were true, hard-won experience would be prized, as it is in law, medicine, and all real professions, instead we have rampant ageism and statements like “young people are just smarter”.

Because Tech is a "profession" and if you think we are you obviously haven't seen how other professions Architects for example and Journalists have a very high opinion of them selves.

galfarragem 8y ago

All idealists have an high opinion of themselves.

solveit 8y ago
Journalists, idealists, pick one

aesclepius 8y ago

Come to the medical field, and it's all the way down.

rswail 8y ago

Except that Tech isn't a profession. Professions have bodies that establish and enforce professional standards and appropriate evaluations and credentials. Programmers that call themselves "engineers" are fooling themselves. Unless they are doing the sort of programming that the NASA shuttle team used, none of us are "engineers".

walshemj 8y ago
In the UK The BCS and IEEE would beg to differ. And a profession is not just the piece of paper its about social standing and relative pay rates. And anyone with a degree who works in there field is a "engineer" even though the number that go for full Chartered status is a small minority - and that is more about who you know not what you know.
- gaius 8y ago
  The BCS The BCS is a complete joke, completely irrelevant to anyone working in the field, I have no idea how it still exists or what it actually does for practitioners or for the industry.
GFischer 8y ago
Here in Uruguay if you wish to call yourself an "engineer" you need to have an accredited engineering degree. There is a career called C.S. Engineer and it has an huge amount of math and physics (equivalent to an undergrad + master's in the U.S.). Most of us take the career that's equivalent to an undergraduate degree though, the extra math (and grueling attrition) is mostly useless. But graduates are very sought after because they've proven themselves able to go through a tough grind (even though they don't have a shred of practical experience after graduating)

ionised 8y ago

Software development is not one of the 'Professions', and never will be until it has a governing body and some degree of accountability for the shoddy work they can put out.

walshemj 8y ago
They do all countries have certifying bodies for engineers and admit it professionals. I never bothered going that route as the BCS kept changing their minds on qualifying experience and the rules and actually don't do anything concreate for their members unlike say the BMA does for doctors. So honest Q here if you feel so strongly why haven't you got your Ceng / E status
- ionised 8y ago
  > So honest Q here if you feel so strongly why haven't you got your Ceng / E status I don't feel strongly about it. I don't need people to call me an engineer, because I'm not an engineer and I have no intention of being one. I'm a software developer, which is very different.

gaius 8y ago

Because Tech is a "profession" If this were true, hard-won experience would be prized, as it is in law, medicine, and all real professions, instead we have rampant ageism and statements like “young people are just smarter”.