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>> Now if I take the medicine and it's not better in a day or two, maybe then I will want that CT scan. That's what most doctors in my country would do. Are y

by mamon 8y ago

>> Now if I take the medicine and it's not better in a day or two, maybe then I will want that CT scan. That's what most doctors in my country would do. Are you saying that US doctors will send you to CT right away, just to be sure?

Johnny555 8y ago
That seems to be what the article is implying should happen, just like doctors of the past should have embraced expensive and inconvenient thermometers sooner, it seems that the article is implying that modern doctors should embrace modern diagnostic tools: Modern CT scans, for example, perform better than even the best surgeons’ palpation of a painful abdomen in detecting appendicitis. As CT scans become cheaper, faster, and dose less radiation, they will become even more accurate. Though Defensive Medicine is definitely happens in the USA and probably other countries as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_medicine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_medicine
wccrawford 8y ago
I went to the ER complaining of stomach pains. They heard my description and immediately put me into a room. A few hours later, I had a CT scan confirming that I had appendicitis. I had surgery that same that and was out of the hospital 2 days later. Had they sent me home, medicine or no, things could have gone a lot worse. I'm glad they do the CT scan here and not just send people away until they get worse.
- thinkharder 8y ago
  I had a similar experience. I show up at the ER and they do their thing. Doctor says, "the symptoms indicate appendicitis, but the tests (which are mostly just poking you in the side and seeing how bad it hurts) are inconclusive. Normal procedure is to send you home and see how it goes, but I'd really feel more comfortable if we took a CT scan to be sure". At this point I'm in so much pain if he said he wanted to do a voodoo ceremony, I'd have been all in. CT scan reveals I had a weirdly shaped appendix, hidden behind a couple of folds of intestine, in a slightly different area than they are usually in. So the poking test didn't work cause they were poking around in the wrong area. If they'd sent me home I'd have come back with a burst appendix, which is potentially fatal. Ironically, just as they were wheeling me into the operating room, a woman came into the ER with an actual burst appendix so they wheeled me out and took her first. I had a dog who started having a runny bloody nose all the time. 4 xrays, 2 nasal endooscope procedures and several thousand dollars and still can't figure out what's wrong. In desperation took him to a really good emergency/surgery vet clinic, they did a CT scan and it reveals a large tumor growing on the nasal cavity side of the soft palate. Confirmed with an endoscope going into the mouth and back up into the sinuses, couldn't see it from the front. Super frustrating because it was too late to do anything at this point. I think using CT scans in the context of a checkup, to look for problems, is bad, because as discussed elsewhere on this thread, if you go looking for something, you'll find something. But if you already know there is a problem, they're the best tool we have for looking inside the body without cutting.
- Johnny555 8y ago
  That's exactly what should happen -- you came in with symptoms that seemed more serious than just a stomachache, so you were scheduled for a CT. It's not like you came in with gas pains and the doctor had to send you for a CT just in case it turned out to be something more serious.

by mamon 8y ago

Johnny555 8y ago

That seems to be what the article is implying should happen, just like doctors of the past should have embraced expensive and inconvenient thermometers sooner, it seems that the article is implying that modern doctors should embrace modern diagnostic tools: Modern CT scans, for example, perform better than even the best surgeons’ palpation of a painful abdomen in detecting appendicitis. As CT scans become cheaper, faster, and dose less radiation, they will become even more accurate. Though Defensive Medicine is definitely happens in the USA and probably other countries as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_medicine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_medicine

wccrawford 8y ago

I went to the ER complaining of stomach pains. They heard my description and immediately put me into a room. A few hours later, I had a CT scan confirming that I had appendicitis. I had surgery that same that and was out of the hospital 2 days later. Had they sent me home, medicine or no, things could have gone a lot worse. I'm glad they do the CT scan here and not just send people away until they get worse.

thinkharder 8y ago
I had a similar experience. I show up at the ER and they do their thing. Doctor says, "the symptoms indicate appendicitis, but the tests (which are mostly just poking you in the side and seeing how bad it hurts) are inconclusive. Normal procedure is to send you home and see how it goes, but I'd really feel more comfortable if we took a CT scan to be sure". At this point I'm in so much pain if he said he wanted to do a voodoo ceremony, I'd have been all in. CT scan reveals I had a weirdly shaped appendix, hidden behind a couple of folds of intestine, in a slightly different area than they are usually in. So the poking test didn't work cause they were poking around in the wrong area. If they'd sent me home I'd have come back with a burst appendix, which is potentially fatal. Ironically, just as they were wheeling me into the operating room, a woman came into the ER with an actual burst appendix so they wheeled me out and took her first. I had a dog who started having a runny bloody nose all the time. 4 xrays, 2 nasal endooscope procedures and several thousand dollars and still can't figure out what's wrong. In desperation took him to a really good emergency/surgery vet clinic, they did a CT scan and it reveals a large tumor growing on the nasal cavity side of the soft palate. Confirmed with an endoscope going into the mouth and back up into the sinuses, couldn't see it from the front. Super frustrating because it was too late to do anything at this point. I think using CT scans in the context of a checkup, to look for problems, is bad, because as discussed elsewhere on this thread, if you go looking for something, you'll find something. But if you already know there is a problem, they're the best tool we have for looking inside the body without cutting.
Johnny555 8y ago
That's exactly what should happen -- you came in with symptoms that seemed more serious than just a stomachache, so you were scheduled for a CT. It's not like you came in with gas pains and the doctor had to send you for a CT just in case it turned out to be something more serious.