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> My assumptions about most men having respect for women's basic rights was really misplaced Are you saying that from most women having been harassed it follow

by DenisM 8y ago

> My assumptions about most men having respect for women's basic rights was really misplaced Are you saying that from most women having been harassed it follows that most men have been harassing women?

AnarchoYeasty 8y ago
While that statement isn't necessarily true, I would argue that most men do act inappropriately towards women. The problem is most men don't see what they are doing as wrong. What they consider flirting is often harassment. So most men aren't rapists, most men most likely do act inappropriately towards women.
- TomVDB 8y ago
  Now that’s a claim for which I would like to see more proof. Because if most men would do this (and most implies: a majority of them), then even the current deluge of reports would be nothing compared to what you’d expect it to be. I’ve have asked female colleagues about this and while they did complain about sexism, it was always isolated cases. Not most men.
  - erikpukinskis 8y ago
    The current volume of reports is almost certainly a small fraction of the actual occcurrences.
    - TomVDB 8y ago
      Would the volume be much higher than the numbers that are reported by surveys like this one, in which women are asked about it explicitly? If so, why? Of all the respondents, 20% report sexual harassment of some sort. That’s a very high number. There is no reason to doubt its veracity. But if 50%+ of all men were like that, you’d expect this number to be way higher.
      - erikpukinskis 8y ago
        Studies show that something like 50% of men are like that when they know they won’t be caught. And the number goes way up for men who have consumed alcohol.
        TomVDB 8y ago
        That's a start. I'd be most interested to see a reference to one of those studies. Google is letting me down on that.
- bigbluedots 8y ago
  This is an extraordinary claim to make without any extraordinary evidence being provided. How do you know?
screye 8y ago
> most women having been harassed This one. Most men are great people. But, the amount of damage that the minority can cause is what astounded me. Also noticed that some perfectly normal people, have a couple of very weird ideas about romance, sex and women that cause them to act in a way that to a 3rd person and the woman herself to rightly consider it harassment. Personally, I feel the rules around acceptable behavior when drunk/high need to be taught in school and a few solid lines need to drawn to let in most cases men and in a few cases women, know what constitutes consent.

by DenisM 8y ago

AnarchoYeasty 8y ago

While that statement isn't necessarily true, I would argue that most men do act inappropriately towards women. The problem is most men don't see what they are doing as wrong. What they consider flirting is often harassment. So most men aren't rapists, most men most likely do act inappropriately towards women.

TomVDB 8y ago
Now that’s a claim for which I would like to see more proof. Because if most men would do this (and most implies: a majority of them), then even the current deluge of reports would be nothing compared to what you’d expect it to be. I’ve have asked female colleagues about this and while they did complain about sexism, it was always isolated cases. Not most men.
- erikpukinskis 8y ago
  The current volume of reports is almost certainly a small fraction of the actual occcurrences.
  - TomVDB 8y ago
    Would the volume be much higher than the numbers that are reported by surveys like this one, in which women are asked about it explicitly? If so, why? Of all the respondents, 20% report sexual harassment of some sort. That’s a very high number. There is no reason to doubt its veracity. But if 50%+ of all men were like that, you’d expect this number to be way higher.
    - erikpukinskis 8y ago
      Studies show that something like 50% of men are like that when they know they won’t be caught. And the number goes way up for men who have consumed alcohol.
      - TomVDB 8y ago
        That's a start. I'd be most interested to see a reference to one of those studies. Google is letting me down on that.
bigbluedots 8y ago
This is an extraordinary claim to make without any extraordinary evidence being provided. How do you know?

screye 8y ago

> most women having been harassed This one. Most men are great people. But, the amount of damage that the minority can cause is what astounded me. Also noticed that some perfectly normal people, have a couple of very weird ideas about romance, sex and women that cause them to act in a way that to a 3rd person and the woman herself to rightly consider it harassment. Personally, I feel the rules around acceptable behavior when drunk/high need to be taught in school and a few solid lines need to drawn to let in most cases men and in a few cases women, know what constitutes consent.