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This bit from the article: > Any ill effect can be explained, and dismissed, as just a temporary bug in the system, which will soon be fixed by our benevolent
by yellowstuff 8y ago
This bit from the article:
> Any ill effect can be explained, and dismissed, as just a temporary bug in the system, which will soon be fixed by our benevolent engineers. (If you look at Mark Zuckerberg’s responses to Facebook’s problems over the years, you’ll find that they are all variations on this theme.)
Seems unfair in light of this:
> Ezra Klein:
That is one of the ways Facebook is different, but I can imagine reading it both ways. On the one hand, your control of voting shares makes you more insulated from short-term pressures of the market. On the other hand, you have a lot more personal power. There’s no quadrennial election for CEO of Facebook. And that’s a normal way that democratic governments ensure accountability. Do you think that governance structure makes you, in some cases, less accountable?
> Mark Zuckerberg:
I certainly think that’s a fair question. My goal here is to create a governance structure around the content and the community that reflects more what people in the community want than what short-term-oriented shareholders might want. And if we do that well, then I think that could really break ground on governance for an internet community. But if we don’t do it well, then I think we’ll fail to handle a lot of the issues that are coming up.
> Here are a few of the principles. One is transparency. Right now, I don’t think we are transparent enough around the prevalence of different issues on the platform. We haven’t done a good job of publishing and being transparent about the prevalence of those kinds of issues, and the work that we’re doing and the trends of how we’re driving those things down over time.
> A second is some sort of independent appeal process. Right now, if you post something on Facebook and someone reports it and our community operations and review team looks at it and decides that it needs to get taken down, there’s not really a way to appeal that. I think in any kind of good-functioning democratic system, there needs to be a way to appeal. And I think we can build that internally as a first step.
> But over the long term, what I’d really like to get to is an independent appeal. So maybe folks at Facebook make the first decision based on the community standards that are outlined, and then people can get a second opinion. You can imagine some sort of structure, almost like a Supreme Court, that is made up of independent folks who don’t work for Facebook, who ultimately make the final judgment call on what should be acceptable speech in a community that reflects the social norms and values of people all around the world.
https://www.vox.com/2018/4/2/17185052/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-interview-fake-news-bots-cambridge https://www.vox.com/2018/4/2/17185052/mark-zuckerberg-facebo...
You might question whether Zuckerberg's suggestions are sincere or practical, but they certainly don't amount to dismissing the scope of the problem.
- twtw 8y agoI don't think it's unfair at all. As I read it, Zuckerberg's response is exactly what Carr is talking about: It's a problem now, but it's fine because we are going to make Facebook so much better; it will be awesome. It will even have a Supreme Court! Facebook as it exists now is just the beginning.
- yellowstuff 8y agoThe article is specifically saying that people with "Borg Complex" say that engineers and technology will solve all our problems. Zuckerberg is proposing something much different than that- his Supreme Court doesn't include Facebook employees. He's admitting that tech has not and cannot solve these problems. I think Zuckerberg's answer is as far from "Borg Complex" as it could possibly be, within the constraint that he'll never propose blowing up Facebook.