Im not sure what I'm saying that is getting people stuck on presumed innocence. I'm specifically talking about the right to defend yourself from accusations. I

Im not sure what I'm saying that is getting people stuck on presumed innocence. I'm specifically talking about the right to defend yourself from accusations. I think that's fundamental to the point of being much more important than being presumed innocent. If you don't get a right to state your side, who cares if you're presumed innocent. The only evidence seen may indicate you're guilty because not all evidence is available.