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Two points of clarification (for other readers): 1. Combat 18 is a neo-Nazi terrorist organization associated with several murders, not a left-wing political c

Two points of clarification (for other readers): 1. Combat 18 is a neo-Nazi terrorist organization associated with several murders, not a left-wing political campaigning group. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_18 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_18 2. Undercover Police officers in related animal rights groups (the ALF, rather than SHAC) have been identified as suspects in fire-bombings, and accused of perjury during trials for terrorism offenses, for which those groups were blamed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lambert_(undercover_police_officer)#Accusations_of_arson_and_perjury https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lambert_(undercover_police... ... It's hard to know how much of the animal rights movement's reputation for terrorism was based on their actual actions rather than police agent provocateurs, because police cover-ups are still on-going. And this point also applies to SHAC: we know about the police undercover agents who have been exposed, but by definition we don't know about the ones whose identities remain secret — in particular, whether the Met/ACPO infiltrated SHAC and actively incited their more outrageous actions, as they did with other groups.

close04 8y ago
> Four of them deceived women into sexual relationships while using their fake identities. One spy met one of his wives during his deployment and had a child with her. [s] How do you expect them to do their job without instigating or perpetrating the very same acts they were supposed to guard against (indirectly), or deception that goes way beyond what they were mandated to do? [/s]
DanBC 8y ago
For people who want to read the literature / propaganda / ephemera of the time there was a magazine called Arkangel which has some back issues available on the web. There was considerable debate about whether fire bombing was a non-violent action: the aim was not to harm people, but to cause massive water damage (from the sprinkler systems) to shops and their stock. Other people said you know violence when you see it, and burning down a building is a violent act. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkangel_(magazine) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkangel_(magazine)

close04 8y ago

> Four of them deceived women into sexual relationships while using their fake identities. One spy met one of his wives during his deployment and had a child with her. [s] How do you expect them to do their job without instigating or perpetrating the very same acts they were supposed to guard against (indirectly), or deception that goes way beyond what they were mandated to do? [/s]

DanBC 8y ago

For people who want to read the literature / propaganda / ephemera of the time there was a magazine called Arkangel which has some back issues available on the web. There was considerable debate about whether fire bombing was a non-violent action: the aim was not to harm people, but to cause massive water damage (from the sprinkler systems) to shops and their stock. Other people said you know violence when you see it, and burning down a building is a violent act. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkangel_(magazine) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkangel_(magazine)