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It's definitely not the trendy language anymore. We still have a lot of it because of legacy products and a generation trained on it mostly. But new languages a

It's definitely not the trendy language anymore. We still have a lot of it because of legacy products and a generation trained on it mostly. But new languages are objectively better and getting adopted at a faster rate than ever. What young programer wants to write java nowadays? When you have Golang, Rust, Swift, Python, etc.

SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
> What young programer wants to write java nowadays? One who wants to earn good money working with legacy stuff?
- unixhero 8y ago
  Yes. Can confirm. My now senior java developing friends are now making solid 150k+ at corporate gigs.
- knightofmars 8y ago
  It's more than "legacy stuff" as well. People always hear "Java" and immediately think "legacy application". I find it quite amusing. It's this weird idea that somehow nobody would or could ever write a new application in Java. Yet here we are with RedHat Thorntail (previously Swarm) and other modern frameworks written in Java and ready to deliver solid large-scale performance.
  - spreiti 8y ago
    I like it that way. Keeps my rate high while doing trivial CRUD applications. On a serious note, I still think Java has one if not the best ecosystem of any language. Fast JVM, lots of high quality Open Source libraries/frameworks, tooling (IDEs, monitoring, debugging) and if you have a problem you probably are not the first one and usually find an answer.
brazzy 8y ago
> It's definitely not the trendy language anymore. It stoppend being "trendy" sometime in the last millenium. "Trendy" isn't the same thing as useful or widely adopted, though. > But new languages are objectively better and getting adopted at a faster rate than ever. They also get dropped and replaced by the next "trendy" thing at a faster rate than ever.
madshiva 8y ago
Teacher at school, teach java. They needed like 10 year to be able to teach java. They don't want really but they don't have choice. Can we manage that they learn how to program, and not a specific language. Specially when it's not the better one? Only because there's some demand on the market is making the current language. Now there's no more Java offer, only few one. We always (in my country specialy) lake of fast moving, it's why these change make 10 year at least for that we adapt.
Tade0 8y ago
What young programer wants to write java nowadays? You'd be surprised. In some parts of the world it's the default, because somebody has to pump out all those CRUD apps for a competitive price. It's such an obvious choice for some that at least once in my career I was asked "what went wrong?" that I had chosen to become a front-end developer instead. The other day I sent my CV to a company doing stuff in Go. I'm more of a Rust person and I've never done this professionally, but hey - there isn't much competition so I might as well take advantage of this opportunity.

SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago

> What young programer wants to write java nowadays? One who wants to earn good money working with legacy stuff?

unixhero 8y ago
Yes. Can confirm. My now senior java developing friends are now making solid 150k+ at corporate gigs.
knightofmars 8y ago
It's more than "legacy stuff" as well. People always hear "Java" and immediately think "legacy application". I find it quite amusing. It's this weird idea that somehow nobody would or could ever write a new application in Java. Yet here we are with RedHat Thorntail (previously Swarm) and other modern frameworks written in Java and ready to deliver solid large-scale performance.
- spreiti 8y ago
  I like it that way. Keeps my rate high while doing trivial CRUD applications. On a serious note, I still think Java has one if not the best ecosystem of any language. Fast JVM, lots of high quality Open Source libraries/frameworks, tooling (IDEs, monitoring, debugging) and if you have a problem you probably are not the first one and usually find an answer.

brazzy 8y ago

> It's definitely not the trendy language anymore. It stoppend being "trendy" sometime in the last millenium. "Trendy" isn't the same thing as useful or widely adopted, though. > But new languages are objectively better and getting adopted at a faster rate than ever. They also get dropped and replaced by the next "trendy" thing at a faster rate than ever.

madshiva 8y ago

Teacher at school, teach java. They needed like 10 year to be able to teach java. They don't want really but they don't have choice. Can we manage that they learn how to program, and not a specific language. Specially when it's not the better one? Only because there's some demand on the market is making the current language. Now there's no more Java offer, only few one. We always (in my country specialy) lake of fast moving, it's why these change make 10 year at least for that we adapt.

Tade0 8y ago

What young programer wants to write java nowadays? You'd be surprised. In some parts of the world it's the default, because somebody has to pump out all those CRUD apps for a competitive price. It's such an obvious choice for some that at least once in my career I was asked "what went wrong?" that I had chosen to become a front-end developer instead. The other day I sent my CV to a company doing stuff in Go. I'm more of a Rust person and I've never done this professionally, but hey - there isn't much competition so I might as well take advantage of this opportunity.