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This seems like a pretty serious thing that I'd want to get behind, but the FSF has freaked out over such stupid stuff before that I don't know if I should trus

This seems like a pretty serious thing that I'd want to get behind, but the FSF has freaked out over such stupid stuff before that I don't know if I should trust them.

borism 16y ago
what a lame excuse to not do anything to prevent what you consider a "serious thing"
- dangrover 16y ago
  I wasn't saying it's not a worthy cause, just that the FSF has cried wolf before. Nobody has time to read every page of every bill being considered, so it's not clear without further research whether it's as bad if they say it is. I'm kind of irritated that Leahy (my former senator) is sponsoring the bill, anyway.
  - tsotha 16y ago
    I'm inclined to believe the petition is worth signing just because Leahy seems to have taken over for Fritz Hollings (D-Disney).
    - protomyth 16y ago
      I am starting to think that MN's Senators (not House Reps) are going to be overly helpful to big media at the expense of everyone else (one is a cosponsor - not the former actor, maybe some horse trading).
pat2man 16y ago
Its always hard to tell which one of these things is going to be the "serious" one.
storm 16y ago
You should be evaluating whether things are worth supporting on their own merits. Why would you trust anyone else to do your thinking for you?
- protomyth 16y ago
  I think I get where dangrover is coming from. You really want to support an organization that looks through the bills or at the situation and determines if it is really a threat and how much. Most people don't have time to read the bill or the RFPs the Federal Gov puts out (Lord knows, I had to do it for quite a few years and it was time consuming and painful). This is one of the reason people like to find experts who can do the research. // link-bait type headlines have an effect on belief https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/08/steve-jobs-watching-you-apple-seeking-patent-0 https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/08/steve-jobs-watching-yo...
- jessriedel 16y ago
  "Thinking" is not the same as time-consuming research through thousands of pages of bills
- cabalamat 16y ago
  > Why would you trust anyone else to do your thinking for you? Because there are only 24 hours in the day. Seriously, thew world is complex and it's impossible for one person to be an expect on everything. Therefore cognitive shortcuts are necessary.
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SkyMarshal 16y ago
If you don't trust the FSF, then try the EFF: http://www.eff.org/issues/coica-internet-censorship-and-copyright-bill http://www.eff.org/issues/coica-internet-censorship-and-copy...
wazoox 16y ago
I'd like to know of some example of "freaking out on stupid stuff" from the FSF, frankly.

This seems like a pretty serious thing that I'd want to get behind, but the FSF has freaked out over such stupid stuff before that I don't know if I should trust them.

borism 16y ago

what a lame excuse to not do anything to prevent what you consider a "serious thing"

dangrover 16y ago
I wasn't saying it's not a worthy cause, just that the FSF has cried wolf before. Nobody has time to read every page of every bill being considered, so it's not clear without further research whether it's as bad if they say it is. I'm kind of irritated that Leahy (my former senator) is sponsoring the bill, anyway.
- tsotha 16y ago
  I'm inclined to believe the petition is worth signing just because Leahy seems to have taken over for Fritz Hollings (D-Disney).
  - protomyth 16y ago
    I am starting to think that MN's Senators (not House Reps) are going to be overly helpful to big media at the expense of everyone else (one is a cosponsor - not the former actor, maybe some horse trading).

pat2man 16y ago

Its always hard to tell which one of these things is going to be the "serious" one.

storm 16y ago

You should be evaluating whether things are worth supporting on their own merits. Why would you trust anyone else to do your thinking for you?

protomyth 16y ago
I think I get where dangrover is coming from. You really want to support an organization that looks through the bills or at the situation and determines if it is really a threat and how much. Most people don't have time to read the bill or the RFPs the Federal Gov puts out (Lord knows, I had to do it for quite a few years and it was time consuming and painful). This is one of the reason people like to find experts who can do the research. // link-bait type headlines have an effect on belief https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/08/steve-jobs-watching-you-apple-seeking-patent-0 https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/08/steve-jobs-watching-yo...
jessriedel 16y ago
"Thinking" is not the same as time-consuming research through thousands of pages of bills
cabalamat 16y ago
> Why would you trust anyone else to do your thinking for you? Because there are only 24 hours in the day. Seriously, thew world is complex and it's impossible for one person to be an expect on everything. Therefore cognitive shortcuts are necessary.

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SkyMarshal 16y ago

If you don't trust the FSF, then try the EFF: http://www.eff.org/issues/coica-internet-censorship-and-copyright-bill http://www.eff.org/issues/coica-internet-censorship-and-copy...

wazoox 16y ago

I'd like to know of some example of "freaking out on stupid stuff" from the FSF, frankly.