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Amazon provides government there own portal to view the video footage via an app. SO at least google makes the government ask before handing it over...Amazon gi

by _5xvi 8y ago

Amazon provides government there own portal to view the video footage via an app. SO at least google makes the government ask before handing it over...Amazon gives it to them plus the upset on their facial recognition tech. See their marketing video to police on the portal here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/x83gyclt497fi8t/Ring%20Neighborhoods%20Portal_1.mp4?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/x83gyclt497fi8t/Ring%20Neighborhoo...

JetSpiegel 8y ago
That link should replace the article really.
ryukafalz 8y ago
The video you linked contradicts your statement. The portal lets law enforcement request video footage from a camera owner before handing it over, but the owner still has to approve the request. Personally, I don't see a problem with that.
- _5xvi 8y ago
  That's not how it actually works in practice. this is the feel good video representing the most positive version of this type of transaction. ring police portal is not only deployed in America but also in the Middle East. Not everyone who signed up for a cool doorbell gadget, paying for the service to store your videos, expected it would be used for mass surveillance. This is how China operates. The police merely 'request' footage before an owner hands it over right? Either way this shouldn't be deployed with our law enforcement because it's fundamentally not a secure application. It's not encrypted, there are no controls in place for need to know for access to make these civilian requests and can be hacked by an 11 year old. Police didn't buy this product or ask for it on the market....Ring just gave it to them...from the ukraine. thats weird.
- _5xvi 8y ago
  sorry thought you were commenting on this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18215168 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18215168
yardie 8y ago
That video states that local police can ask Ring users for their security footage. No where is it made evident that it would be handed over automatically.
closeparen 8y ago
Any decent sized tech company is going to have a team, structured process, workflow, and yes, custom software for dealing with law enforcement requests. It’s easier to enforce company policy and have specialized lawyers make sure data turned over is confined to the scope of valid court orders that way vs. having whatever having random employees LEOs can find deal with them.

by _5xvi 8y ago

JetSpiegel 8y ago

That link should replace the article really.

ryukafalz 8y ago

The video you linked contradicts your statement. The portal lets law enforcement request video footage from a camera owner before handing it over, but the owner still has to approve the request. Personally, I don't see a problem with that.

_5xvi 8y ago
That's not how it actually works in practice. this is the feel good video representing the most positive version of this type of transaction. ring police portal is not only deployed in America but also in the Middle East. Not everyone who signed up for a cool doorbell gadget, paying for the service to store your videos, expected it would be used for mass surveillance. This is how China operates. The police merely 'request' footage before an owner hands it over right? Either way this shouldn't be deployed with our law enforcement because it's fundamentally not a secure application. It's not encrypted, there are no controls in place for need to know for access to make these civilian requests and can be hacked by an 11 year old. Police didn't buy this product or ask for it on the market....Ring just gave it to them...from the ukraine. thats weird.
_5xvi 8y ago
sorry thought you were commenting on this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18215168 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18215168

yardie 8y ago

That video states that local police can ask Ring users for their security footage. No where is it made evident that it would be handed over automatically.

closeparen 8y ago

Any decent sized tech company is going to have a team, structured process, workflow, and yes, custom software for dealing with law enforcement requests. It’s easier to enforce company policy and have specialized lawyers make sure data turned over is confined to the scope of valid court orders that way vs. having whatever having random employees LEOs can find deal with them.