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I am extremely skeptical of the source this article cites, which claims that 79% of the top 10 million sites use PHP. See https://w3techs.com/technologies/overv

I am extremely skeptical of the source this article cites, which claims that 79% of the top 10 million sites use PHP. See https://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/programming_language/all https://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/programming_langua.... This is completely out of line with my experience, job listings, and all other sources I can find. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_languages_used_in_most_popular_websites https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programming_languages_used_in_... and https://www.codingdojo.com/blog/7-most-in-demand-programming-languages-of-2018/ https://www.codingdojo.com/blog/7-most-in-demand-programming... and https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/

foepys 8y ago
I believe it. Aren't like 30% of all websites WordPress blogs? Considering people who use WordPress want a one-click solution, they certainly don't care about their PHP version. The other 49% might contain some Joomla and Drupal installations and phpBB (or similar). All those software is known to be easy to install, so most people choose it for their private content. We are not talking about IT people but John/Jane Smith running their hobby site about fishing or their community to exchange ideas about old cars. They might not even have users but they are still websites.
- dogma1138 8y ago
  It’s not just hobby/personal sites, Magento has about 30% of the e-commerce platform market share, Shopify for comparison has 7%. If you take Magento and WooCommerce (the most popular e-commerce WP plug-in) you have about 50% of the e-commerce market share (by installs/shops not revenue cuz well eBay and Amazon got that handled). A lot of companies even fairly large enterprises use Drupal, Joomla and ofc Wordpress.
siquick 8y ago
Wordpress
- dogma1138 8y ago
  Not just WP, Drupal, Magento, Joomla, OpenCart and many others.
dogma1138 8y ago
Why? the most popular CMS is written in PHP, so are many others as well as many of the most popular ecommerce platforms.
CM30 8y ago
Eh, I can certainly believe it. Remember that in addition to WordPress having an insanely large percentage of the CMS market/being used for many sites (30%), you've then got the next most popular ones also using PHP (Drupal and Joomla). Additionally, most forum scripts use PHP (so add phpBB, SMF, MyBB, vBulletin, IPB, XenForo, Woltlab, etc sites to the count), MediaWiki uses PHP (and most wikis run on it), most eCommerce solutions use PHP (Magento + OS Commerce, Open Cart and obvious WooCommerce), and a large percentage of bespoke sites do as well (especially older ones, or those from less experienced programmers/teams). Educational sites use Moodle too. It's just that these sites are less on the technical side than something like Google or Amazon or Netflix or what not, and likely require smaller programming teams working on them. It's entirely possible that most FANNG companies and Silicon Valley startups don't use PHP while most sites/visited sites in general do, hence the disparities.
technion 8y ago
Big organisations recruiting tonnes of developers for language x might produce one website. Meanwhile, web agency y produces 20+ Wordpress sites a day with two staff. I've supported web hosting clusters for thousands of websites, and I've never had a single customer not run PHP. The numbers look right to me.

foepys 8y ago

I believe it. Aren't like 30% of all websites WordPress blogs? Considering people who use WordPress want a one-click solution, they certainly don't care about their PHP version. The other 49% might contain some Joomla and Drupal installations and phpBB (or similar). All those software is known to be easy to install, so most people choose it for their private content. We are not talking about IT people but John/Jane Smith running their hobby site about fishing or their community to exchange ideas about old cars. They might not even have users but they are still websites.

dogma1138 8y ago
It’s not just hobby/personal sites, Magento has about 30% of the e-commerce platform market share, Shopify for comparison has 7%. If you take Magento and WooCommerce (the most popular e-commerce WP plug-in) you have about 50% of the e-commerce market share (by installs/shops not revenue cuz well eBay and Amazon got that handled). A lot of companies even fairly large enterprises use Drupal, Joomla and ofc Wordpress.

siquick 8y ago

Wordpress

dogma1138 8y ago
Not just WP, Drupal, Magento, Joomla, OpenCart and many others.

dogma1138 8y ago

Why? the most popular CMS is written in PHP, so are many others as well as many of the most popular ecommerce platforms.

CM30 8y ago

Eh, I can certainly believe it. Remember that in addition to WordPress having an insanely large percentage of the CMS market/being used for many sites (30%), you've then got the next most popular ones also using PHP (Drupal and Joomla). Additionally, most forum scripts use PHP (so add phpBB, SMF, MyBB, vBulletin, IPB, XenForo, Woltlab, etc sites to the count), MediaWiki uses PHP (and most wikis run on it), most eCommerce solutions use PHP (Magento + OS Commerce, Open Cart and obvious WooCommerce), and a large percentage of bespoke sites do as well (especially older ones, or those from less experienced programmers/teams). Educational sites use Moodle too. It's just that these sites are less on the technical side than something like Google or Amazon or Netflix or what not, and likely require smaller programming teams working on them. It's entirely possible that most FANNG companies and Silicon Valley startups don't use PHP while most sites/visited sites in general do, hence the disparities.

technion 8y ago

Big organisations recruiting tonnes of developers for language x might produce one website. Meanwhile, web agency y produces 20+ Wordpress sites a day with two staff. I've supported web hosting clusters for thousands of websites, and I've never had a single customer not run PHP. The numbers look right to me.