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Sigh, this guy again. He is not a real security researcher, but obviously a novice learning about programming and decompiling. That is fine, except he keeps m

by axaxs 8y ago

Sigh, this guy again. He is not a real security researcher, but obviously a novice learning about programming and decompiling. That is fine, except he keeps making outlandish and wrong accusations. He kept doing the same thing to OnePlus, until he basically got laughed away by real security researchers. Something to keep in mind as you read...

aw3c2 8y ago
Please provide some context and links.
dnomad 8y ago
At this point there's so much blatant China panic and propaganda that it's descended into farce. Look at this thread. We've now reached the point where the less evidence behind some baseless anti-China claim (an unecrypted file airport_china.txt!!!111!) the more it will be seized upon and quickly up-voted. The people pushing this don't have any integrity at all and if you call out the total lack of integrity they will just take that as further validation of their paranoid fantasies.
- hw 8y ago
  it doesn't hurt to be paranoid, especially when it comes to China. If you ran a SaaS, and if a Chinese cloud company there offered to host your SaaS, would you be willing to put your code on those machines? I think you're underestimating not just Chinese companies, but also the Chinese government.
- product50 8y ago
  Why don't we read about this for Korean or American companies at all? The problem with China is that there is a giant trust deficit. And some of this is their own making. For instance, them forcing companies to share intellectual property with them to have access to the market or them deliberately getting countries into large debts as part of BRI initiative - is outrageous. So even if Huawei may not be as bad as what this article makes out to be, but the general narrative is against China. And it is well deserved.
  - dnomad 8y ago
    Ah, I see, the endless diarrhea of anti-China propaganda is totally deserved because it's China is untrustworthy. And how can China dare demand access to IP, they're Chinese, their job is just to be dumb cheap labor right? What is really striking about the logic at work here is that you see the exact same thing happening in the most authoritarian countries. Saudi Arabia, Russia, Venezuela, and America. The media pumps out the same endless propaganda designating some external entity. The same idiots lap it up and whip themselves into a frenzy in daily two minute hate sessions. The same paranoia, the same hatred, the same fear. As I said before, we've reached the point where this sort of behavior is practiced openly and without shame. This is key. This story was quickly voted to the top of HN and the comments are full of similar nonsense or defenders of the nonsense. That says it all but, ironically, there's not much else to be said because you really think China is the problem here and there's no rational discussion to be had with such committed ideologues.
    - dba7dba 8y ago
      Chinese companies have their hands in pretty much most of electronic devices used in the world today. NONE of the other nations such as Russian, etc have capacity. I would stop having so called anti-China concern once the people of China start electing their government leadership in a meaningful way. mic drop. I will show myself out.
      - dang 8y ago
        If you continue to practice nationalistic flamewar on HN, we will ban you. Whichever country you're for or against, it's a violation of what this site is for. In particular, "boo China" vs. "fuck you yay China" flamewars are equal parts dumb and destructive, and none of that is welcome here.
        dba7dba 8y ago
        I'm sorry but I should've made it clear that it's the few in the Chinese govt that are doing this. Average joe Chinese folks only want to live out happy life like every average joe everywhere else. So I'm sorry that I came across as "boo China" or any of that sort. However, I were to be banned for that kind attitude (which I apologized and I clarified), would that same rule apply to folks who are "boo US" or "boo UK"? Because there are many here who are angry at western nation govts for spying on citizens without warrants (and, rightly so)?
nilsocket 8y ago
I don't known if author is stating any truth. I have a Honor mobile, some of there apps were system apps. You can't disable them, or uninstall even when you are rooted. On OTA updates they add new system apps. It's fine to have bloatware, but forcing users to keep it is not fine.
- ptx 8y ago
  All manufacturers do this, don't they? My Sony phone had mysterious Sony apps and before smartphones there was carrier-customized firmware.
  - nemo846 8y ago
    This is one reason I stuck to iPhones. No carrier-customized firmware nor carrier-imposed apps I can’t delete. You get the standard iOS every time - with the only customization a delete-able bookmark to the carrier’s website in Safari.
- sschueller 8y ago
  My Samsung prevents me from uninstalling the Facebook app which came pre installed. I don't care if Samsung prevents you from removing their camera app but facebook doesn't have anything to do with Samsung so I should at least be able to remove that.
  - kyrra 8y ago
    It's a matter of understanding how apps work on Android (at least today). When apps come pre-installed ir can sometimes be part of the system partition, such as Facebook is your example. Apps on the system partition cannot be uninstall, but they can be disabled. I believe Google has been working to make it so more apps are not in the system partition, but it can be up to each phone manufacturer on how a bundle apps.
  - ploxiln 8y ago
    You can _disable_ it though. It can't be completely removed because it's part of the somewhat-immutable firmware image. Annoying, but not nearly as bad as force-enabled.
softawre 8y ago
He's about to be your WORST NIGHTMARE, too.

by axaxs 8y ago

aw3c2 8y ago

Please provide some context and links.

dnomad 8y ago

At this point there's so much blatant China panic and propaganda that it's descended into farce. Look at this thread. We've now reached the point where the less evidence behind some baseless anti-China claim (an unecrypted file airport_china.txt!!!111!) the more it will be seized upon and quickly up-voted. The people pushing this don't have any integrity at all and if you call out the total lack of integrity they will just take that as further validation of their paranoid fantasies.

hw 8y ago
it doesn't hurt to be paranoid, especially when it comes to China. If you ran a SaaS, and if a Chinese cloud company there offered to host your SaaS, would you be willing to put your code on those machines? I think you're underestimating not just Chinese companies, but also the Chinese government.
product50 8y ago
Why don't we read about this for Korean or American companies at all? The problem with China is that there is a giant trust deficit. And some of this is their own making. For instance, them forcing companies to share intellectual property with them to have access to the market or them deliberately getting countries into large debts as part of BRI initiative - is outrageous. So even if Huawei may not be as bad as what this article makes out to be, but the general narrative is against China. And it is well deserved.
- dnomad 8y ago
  Ah, I see, the endless diarrhea of anti-China propaganda is totally deserved because it's China is untrustworthy. And how can China dare demand access to IP, they're Chinese, their job is just to be dumb cheap labor right? What is really striking about the logic at work here is that you see the exact same thing happening in the most authoritarian countries. Saudi Arabia, Russia, Venezuela, and America. The media pumps out the same endless propaganda designating some external entity. The same idiots lap it up and whip themselves into a frenzy in daily two minute hate sessions. The same paranoia, the same hatred, the same fear. As I said before, we've reached the point where this sort of behavior is practiced openly and without shame. This is key. This story was quickly voted to the top of HN and the comments are full of similar nonsense or defenders of the nonsense. That says it all but, ironically, there's not much else to be said because you really think China is the problem here and there's no rational discussion to be had with such committed ideologues.
  - dba7dba 8y ago
    Chinese companies have their hands in pretty much most of electronic devices used in the world today. NONE of the other nations such as Russian, etc have capacity. I would stop having so called anti-China concern once the people of China start electing their government leadership in a meaningful way. mic drop. I will show myself out.
    - dang 8y ago
      If you continue to practice nationalistic flamewar on HN, we will ban you. Whichever country you're for or against, it's a violation of what this site is for. In particular, "boo China" vs. "fuck you yay China" flamewars are equal parts dumb and destructive, and none of that is welcome here.
      - dba7dba 8y ago
        I'm sorry but I should've made it clear that it's the few in the Chinese govt that are doing this. Average joe Chinese folks only want to live out happy life like every average joe everywhere else. So I'm sorry that I came across as "boo China" or any of that sort. However, I were to be banned for that kind attitude (which I apologized and I clarified), would that same rule apply to folks who are "boo US" or "boo UK"? Because there are many here who are angry at western nation govts for spying on citizens without warrants (and, rightly so)?

nilsocket 8y ago

I don't known if author is stating any truth. I have a Honor mobile, some of there apps were system apps. You can't disable them, or uninstall even when you are rooted. On OTA updates they add new system apps. It's fine to have bloatware, but forcing users to keep it is not fine.

ptx 8y ago
All manufacturers do this, don't they? My Sony phone had mysterious Sony apps and before smartphones there was carrier-customized firmware.
- nemo846 8y ago
  This is one reason I stuck to iPhones. No carrier-customized firmware nor carrier-imposed apps I can’t delete. You get the standard iOS every time - with the only customization a delete-able bookmark to the carrier’s website in Safari.
sschueller 8y ago
My Samsung prevents me from uninstalling the Facebook app which came pre installed. I don't care if Samsung prevents you from removing their camera app but facebook doesn't have anything to do with Samsung so I should at least be able to remove that.
- kyrra 8y ago
  It's a matter of understanding how apps work on Android (at least today). When apps come pre-installed ir can sometimes be part of the system partition, such as Facebook is your example. Apps on the system partition cannot be uninstall, but they can be disabled. I believe Google has been working to make it so more apps are not in the system partition, but it can be up to each phone manufacturer on how a bundle apps.
- ploxiln 8y ago
  You can _disable_ it though. It can't be completely removed because it's part of the somewhat-immutable firmware image. Annoying, but not nearly as bad as force-enabled.

softawre 8y ago

He's about to be your WORST NIGHTMARE, too.