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>Would you take up the job if the salary was reduced on day one? I'd certainly tell people on as many public forums as possible instead of just letting someone

>Would you take up the job if the salary was reduced on day one? I'd certainly tell people on as many public forums as possible instead of just letting someone walk all over me and also see if I could get anyone with influence to reverse the decision. Do I sit and take it? Hell no. And you shouldn't either because you should have more self-respect.

ganeshkrishnan 8y ago
Is this your definition of "walking all over you"? How much of a bubble is silicon valley? I have worked in the biggest bank in Australia where subcontractors were siphoning away the source codes and customer data via mobile hotspots. I blew the whistle to data security and got fired in return. Company later paid me huge chunk of money in return for silence. Sometimes you just gotta walk away to better deals. Life is unfair more so if you have a big ego.
- goliatone 8y ago
  Since you’re sharing, how did you get from being fired to being offered payment for silence? You got terminated and a day/week/month later the bank reached out to you offering money just in case, or they fired you and approached them asking for “cautionary” compensation, or something in between? Not trying to make a moral judgement, I’m wondering how these escenarios play out in real life
  - tyingq 8y ago
    Guessing the sequence of fired->get lawyer->send letter->settlement+non-disclosure is pretty common.
  - ganeshkrishnan 8y ago
    Similar to what the commenter below said except I had one more step of federal court intervening and forcing the settlement
- Novashi 8y ago
  >Is this your definition of "walking all over you"? How much of a bubble is silicon valley? Yeah it is, but I don't live in the valley. I mean, your example fits my definition too. I just have a much lower threshold that I tolerate apparently. But lets wait for someone else to come by with a more impactful story than yours and we can reset the goal posts.
  - ganeshkrishnan 8y ago
    Sure. Also there was a guy complaining that free food in Google was an execuse to keep employees longer in office to make them work.
- dunkelheit 8y ago
  Breaking promises is considered unethical in most cultures, not just in silicon valley. Maybe "walking all over you" is an overstatement, but an egregious thing that has happened to you doesn't make what happened to the OP less bad. I've heard this is standard behavior for google - completely disregarding what an applicant wants to work on and putting them instead on a project chosen by the hiring committee. Considering that the range of different projects where you may end up is enormous, I agree that it sucks.
  - tylerl 8y ago
    You've heard that, huh? HC doesn't pick your job, they decide whether or not to hire you. Hence the name. At Google it's typically trivially simple to switch teams (this article notwithstanding), so teams don't recruit and hire independently like happens in many companies. So after a hire is approved, they have to be matched up with a team. Teams decide whether or not a hire is appropriate for their team, and candidate decides whether or not team is appropriate for their interests. If you're approved for hire but you don't like the team you're paired with, say "I'd prefer to work on X", and if X is hiring and their hiring manager thinks you're a good fit, then you can go there instead. That route is more complicated because recruiters specialize in a given area, but the whole point is for you to like your job.
    - ganeshkrishnan 8y ago
      Exactly the same at Ibm, eBay and jp Morgan when I worked there. There were even programs to let you try out new projects before you commit to them. All it took was the dev to say that he preferred working on a specific project. Some teams even have further internal hiring processes from the talent pool. I am not even sure OP knows that team switching was possible and how internal recruiting works for large organizations
      - dunkelheit 8y ago
        It is not that internal transfers are impossible, but they are never as easy as advertised. Yes, many companies have formal processes for them, but stars still have to align just right both at your old team and the new one. > All it took was the dev to say that he preferred working on a specific project. Some teams even have further internal hiring processes from the talent pool. I'm not sure if I read that correctly, but don't these two sentences contradict each other? Of course some positions will be more coveted than others, so additional processes are necessary to choose from all the people interested in the position. But it means that just saying "I prefer to work on X" is not nearly enough to transfer (of course it isn't).

ganeshkrishnan 8y ago

Is this your definition of "walking all over you"? How much of a bubble is silicon valley? I have worked in the biggest bank in Australia where subcontractors were siphoning away the source codes and customer data via mobile hotspots. I blew the whistle to data security and got fired in return. Company later paid me huge chunk of money in return for silence. Sometimes you just gotta walk away to better deals. Life is unfair more so if you have a big ego.

goliatone 8y ago
Since you’re sharing, how did you get from being fired to being offered payment for silence? You got terminated and a day/week/month later the bank reached out to you offering money just in case, or they fired you and approached them asking for “cautionary” compensation, or something in between? Not trying to make a moral judgement, I’m wondering how these escenarios play out in real life
- tyingq 8y ago
  Guessing the sequence of fired->get lawyer->send letter->settlement+non-disclosure is pretty common.
- ganeshkrishnan 8y ago
  Similar to what the commenter below said except I had one more step of federal court intervening and forcing the settlement
Novashi 8y ago
>Is this your definition of "walking all over you"? How much of a bubble is silicon valley? Yeah it is, but I don't live in the valley. I mean, your example fits my definition too. I just have a much lower threshold that I tolerate apparently. But lets wait for someone else to come by with a more impactful story than yours and we can reset the goal posts.
- ganeshkrishnan 8y ago
  Sure. Also there was a guy complaining that free food in Google was an execuse to keep employees longer in office to make them work.
dunkelheit 8y ago
Breaking promises is considered unethical in most cultures, not just in silicon valley. Maybe "walking all over you" is an overstatement, but an egregious thing that has happened to you doesn't make what happened to the OP less bad. I've heard this is standard behavior for google - completely disregarding what an applicant wants to work on and putting them instead on a project chosen by the hiring committee. Considering that the range of different projects where you may end up is enormous, I agree that it sucks.
- tylerl 8y ago
  You've heard that, huh? HC doesn't pick your job, they decide whether or not to hire you. Hence the name. At Google it's typically trivially simple to switch teams (this article notwithstanding), so teams don't recruit and hire independently like happens in many companies. So after a hire is approved, they have to be matched up with a team. Teams decide whether or not a hire is appropriate for their team, and candidate decides whether or not team is appropriate for their interests. If you're approved for hire but you don't like the team you're paired with, say "I'd prefer to work on X", and if X is hiring and their hiring manager thinks you're a good fit, then you can go there instead. That route is more complicated because recruiters specialize in a given area, but the whole point is for you to like your job.
  - ganeshkrishnan 8y ago
    Exactly the same at Ibm, eBay and jp Morgan when I worked there. There were even programs to let you try out new projects before you commit to them. All it took was the dev to say that he preferred working on a specific project. Some teams even have further internal hiring processes from the talent pool. I am not even sure OP knows that team switching was possible and how internal recruiting works for large organizations
    - dunkelheit 8y ago
      It is not that internal transfers are impossible, but they are never as easy as advertised. Yes, many companies have formal processes for them, but stars still have to align just right both at your old team and the new one. > All it took was the dev to say that he preferred working on a specific project. Some teams even have further internal hiring processes from the talent pool. I'm not sure if I read that correctly, but don't these two sentences contradict each other? Of course some positions will be more coveted than others, so additional processes are necessary to choose from all the people interested in the position. But it means that just saying "I prefer to work on X" is not nearly enough to transfer (of course it isn't).