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He wouldn't be the first designer to pick apart everyday things and question them. But you have to remember that he was told he'd get to work on Chrome but was

He wouldn't be the first designer to pick apart everyday things and question them. But you have to remember that he was told he'd get to work on Chrome but was then assigned to G+. You have to be extremely laid-back and financially secure to roll with that punch and not put the rest of the company under a microscope (even criticizing petty culture-identity labels like 'nooglers' builds up resentment).

ganeshkrishnan 8y ago
How is changing projects a punch? Haven't been longtime in a permanent position but there never was a project guaranteed during recruiting, only the skills and type of work. Even if the project was guaranteed, things happen. Roll with it. Building resentment you are just hurting yourself. Fuck, posts like these piss me off so much. There are so many candidates who would give their arm and leg to work at Google. Heck, if i didn't have a startup I would have been happy to work even on Orkut at Google.
- Novashi 8y ago
  Bait and switch, where they try to convince you to take a lowball offer because you'll work on prestigious projects like Chrome, then turn around and put you on G+ is most definitely a punch. Just because it happens (regularly) doesn't mean you should just roll over and take it. There could be inaccuracies here, it's a twitter rant after all, but as presented, that would demoralize a lot of people. You don't have to force your own happiness just because some people aren't getting their dream job at a dream company.
  - ganeshkrishnan 8y ago
    Then reject the job offer? Would you take up the job if the salary was reduced on day one? Some devs would roll with lower salary, some with different projects. You can still call the shots instead of going ahead and whinging publically
    - Novashi 8y ago
      >Would you take up the job if the salary was reduced on day one? I'd certainly tell people on as many public forums as possible instead of just letting someone walk all over me and also see if I could get anyone with influence to reverse the decision. Do I sit and take it? Hell no. And you shouldn't either because you should have more self-respect.
      - ganeshkrishnan 8y ago
        Is this your definition of "walking all over you"? How much of a bubble is silicon valley? I have worked in the biggest bank in Australia where subcontractors were siphoning away the source codes and customer data via mobile hotspots. I blew the whistle to data security and got fired in return. Company later paid me huge chunk of money in return for silence. Sometimes you just gotta walk away to better deals. Life is unfair more so if you have a big ego.
        goliatone 8y ago
        Since you’re sharing, how did you get from being fired to being offered payment for silence? You got terminated and a day/week/month later the bank reached out to you offering money just in case, or they fired you and approached them asking for “cautionary” compensation, or something in between? Not trying to make a moral judgement, I’m wondering how these escenarios play out in real life
        tyingq 8y ago
        Guessing the sequence of fired->get lawyer->send letter->settlement+non-disclosure is pretty common.
        ganeshkrishnan 8y ago
        Similar to what the commenter below said except I had one more step of federal court intervening and forcing the settlement
        Novashi 8y ago
  - rdiddly 8y ago
    It's tempting to think of Google as a monolithic entity that "has a will" and "says things" and "makes promises," but in fact what happened was probably more like... He didn't get the Chrome job. His resume was "kept on file" as they say. Months later a different job came up with a totally different team of people, and someone on that team remembered him and recommended him. (Slap of ingratitude to that guy I guess. Just one of many things this guy got wrong.)
- eddieroger 8y ago
  I've been part of recruiting processes before where even when the applicant is applying for a specific role, if there's a better fit (as described here by the G+ manager wanting this guy), then that's usually the offer that is made. Given the time gap, the lack of details, and the author's admission to taking it and waiting, I don't think this was a surprise.

ganeshkrishnan 8y ago

How is changing projects a punch? Haven't been longtime in a permanent position but there never was a project guaranteed during recruiting, only the skills and type of work. Even if the project was guaranteed, things happen. Roll with it. Building resentment you are just hurting yourself. Fuck, posts like these piss me off so much. There are so many candidates who would give their arm and leg to work at Google. Heck, if i didn't have a startup I would have been happy to work even on Orkut at Google.

Novashi 8y ago
Bait and switch, where they try to convince you to take a lowball offer because you'll work on prestigious projects like Chrome, then turn around and put you on G+ is most definitely a punch. Just because it happens (regularly) doesn't mean you should just roll over and take it. There could be inaccuracies here, it's a twitter rant after all, but as presented, that would demoralize a lot of people. You don't have to force your own happiness just because some people aren't getting their dream job at a dream company.
- ganeshkrishnan 8y ago
  Then reject the job offer? Would you take up the job if the salary was reduced on day one? Some devs would roll with lower salary, some with different projects. You can still call the shots instead of going ahead and whinging publically
  - Novashi 8y ago
    >Would you take up the job if the salary was reduced on day one? I'd certainly tell people on as many public forums as possible instead of just letting someone walk all over me and also see if I could get anyone with influence to reverse the decision. Do I sit and take it? Hell no. And you shouldn't either because you should have more self-respect.
    - ganeshkrishnan 8y ago
      Is this your definition of "walking all over you"? How much of a bubble is silicon valley? I have worked in the biggest bank in Australia where subcontractors were siphoning away the source codes and customer data via mobile hotspots. I blew the whistle to data security and got fired in return. Company later paid me huge chunk of money in return for silence. Sometimes you just gotta walk away to better deals. Life is unfair more so if you have a big ego.
      - goliatone 8y ago
        Since you’re sharing, how did you get from being fired to being offered payment for silence? You got terminated and a day/week/month later the bank reached out to you offering money just in case, or they fired you and approached them asking for “cautionary” compensation, or something in between? Not trying to make a moral judgement, I’m wondering how these escenarios play out in real life
        tyingq 8y ago
        Guessing the sequence of fired->get lawyer->send letter->settlement+non-disclosure is pretty common.
        ganeshkrishnan 8y ago
        Similar to what the commenter below said except I had one more step of federal court intervening and forcing the settlement
      - Novashi 8y ago
- rdiddly 8y ago
  It's tempting to think of Google as a monolithic entity that "has a will" and "says things" and "makes promises," but in fact what happened was probably more like... He didn't get the Chrome job. His resume was "kept on file" as they say. Months later a different job came up with a totally different team of people, and someone on that team remembered him and recommended him. (Slap of ingratitude to that guy I guess. Just one of many things this guy got wrong.)
eddieroger 8y ago
I've been part of recruiting processes before where even when the applicant is applying for a specific role, if there's a better fit (as described here by the G+ manager wanting this guy), then that's usually the offer that is made. Given the time gap, the lack of details, and the author's admission to taking it and waiting, I don't think this was a surprise.