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I wish Apple would stop with these games and just do what's best for the consumer. Unless you can explain why it made sense to include Flash last week and it d

by smackfu 16y ago

I wish Apple would stop with these games and just do what's best for the consumer. Unless you can explain why it made sense to include Flash last week and it doesn't today. OTOH it would make sense to move Flash to the OS X App Store when that is released, so that Adobe could manage their own updates. We'll see if that is an option, and it would be nice if Apple had waited until the App Store existed. Instead Adobe will need to have its own updater for Flash, right when Apple is coming out with a centralized update system. How dumb is that?

irons 16y ago
Unless you can explain why it made sense to include Flash last week and it doesn't today. You may have noticed that Apple cleaned house on Wednesday. They announced the Mac app store, deprecated Java (and listed deprecated-Java as a disqualification to get into the app store), and shipped significant new hardware which offered a clean break on the software configuration, including the end of Flash as default kit. There's no provision in the app store as currently defined to carry anything except self-contained single-package application bundles, so no, you won't see Flash or any other plugins carried there in the foreseeable future.
DougBTX 16y ago
> just do what's best for the consumer Apple got caught shipping a Flash player with known security vulnerabilities, that's not good for "the consumer". They also claim that half the reported OS X crashes are due to Flash - which seem exaggerated, but if true, also bad for "the consumer".
- YooLi 16y ago
  Honestly I don't think it's an exaggeration, even if technically I think they were talking about Safari crashes. Flash has crashed my Safari more times than I can excuse as 'these things happen'.
- smackfu 16y ago
  And now Flash won't be included in the system updater, so now way more people are going to be running back-level versions. Bet that will really help with the crashing and security issues. This is exactly the reason Chrome moved to shipping with Flash included, and why Firefox now checks the flash version when it starts up. Apple is going backwards on this.
  - GHFigs 16y ago
    This is exactly the reason Chrome moved to shipping with Flash included No, Chrome ships with Flash because it is in Google's competitive interests to do so both as a browser vendor and advertiser.

by smackfu 16y ago

irons 16y ago

Unless you can explain why it made sense to include Flash last week and it doesn't today. You may have noticed that Apple cleaned house on Wednesday. They announced the Mac app store, deprecated Java (and listed deprecated-Java as a disqualification to get into the app store), and shipped significant new hardware which offered a clean break on the software configuration, including the end of Flash as default kit. There's no provision in the app store as currently defined to carry anything except self-contained single-package application bundles, so no, you won't see Flash or any other plugins carried there in the foreseeable future.

DougBTX 16y ago

> just do what's best for the consumer Apple got caught shipping a Flash player with known security vulnerabilities, that's not good for "the consumer". They also claim that half the reported OS X crashes are due to Flash - which seem exaggerated, but if true, also bad for "the consumer".

YooLi 16y ago
Honestly I don't think it's an exaggeration, even if technically I think they were talking about Safari crashes. Flash has crashed my Safari more times than I can excuse as 'these things happen'.
smackfu 16y ago
And now Flash won't be included in the system updater, so now way more people are going to be running back-level versions. Bet that will really help with the crashing and security issues. This is exactly the reason Chrome moved to shipping with Flash included, and why Firefox now checks the flash version when it starts up. Apple is going backwards on this.
- GHFigs 16y ago
  This is exactly the reason Chrome moved to shipping with Flash included No, Chrome ships with Flash because it is in Google's competitive interests to do so both as a browser vendor and advertiser.