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The problem is that the harasser is most likely in a position of power and can afford to live comfortably with quite a few such agreements.

pg_bot 8y ago
I don't think you understand the difference between civil and criminal law. Almost all sexual harassment cases are going to be civil cases, where the only recompense a defendant can expect is monetary. No one is going to jail over a typical sexual harassment case. Now, if a crime such as sexual battery or rape was committed, criminal charges would likely follow. If you win a case you get will get paid whatever is due to you, a wrong will be righted and people will move on with their lives. I understand that you may be dissatisfied with this arrangement, but we don't have time machines so there is no other recourse. All lawsuits fall on a spectrum, there are strong and frivolous cases that settle and go to trial. It's impossible to make a judgement call without hearing the details of a case. If you want to risk going to trial on principle, you may find out that principles are very expensive.
- DonHopkins 8y ago
  Fortunately we can all read the details of this particular case in the lawsuit, enabling us to more fairly and easily make a judgement call. https://regmedia.co.uk/2017/02/14/magic-leap-sex-discrimination.pdf https://regmedia.co.uk/2017/02/14/magic-leap-sex-discriminat...
titanomachy 8y ago
Is discrimination the same thing as harassment?
- DonHopkins 8y ago
  Would you consider this discrimination or harassment? https://regmedia.co.uk/2017/02/14/magic-leap-sex-discrimination.pdf https://regmedia.co.uk/2017/02/14/magic-leap-sex-discriminat... >Euen Thompson, an IT Support Lead, on November 16, 2016, gave a tutorial to a group of seven new hires, including two women, how to use Magic Leap’s IT equipment and resources. One woman asked Thompson a question in front of the group and Thompson responded, “Yeah, women always have trouble with computers.” The women in the group, in apparent disbelief, asked Thompson to repeat what he said and Thompson replied, “In IT we have a saying; stay away from the Three Os: Orientals, Old People and Ovaries.”
  - stallmanite 8y ago
    Putting aside the rest of that trainwreck, asians (pardon me "orientals") are bad at computers now? I missed the memo on that
- DonHopkins 8y ago
  How about this, it sounds like harassment to me: https://regmedia.co.uk/2017/02/14/magic-leap-sex-discrimination.pdf https://regmedia.co.uk/2017/02/14/magic-leap-sex-discriminat... >Campbell met September 28, 2016 with Magic Leap CFO Henry and Head of Operations Tina Tuli for a conference call with the CFO and leadership team at R/GA, an award-winning international advertising agency that was Magic Leap’s advertising agency of record. During the call, Henry said of the product under development, “I’m sitting here between two beautiful ladies. They’re not going to want to put a big ugly device over their pretty faces. And I have an office with glass doors, I don’t want people to see me with these beautiful girls with ugly things on their faces.” Later, one of the male R/GA executives on the call asked Campbell if Henry frequently made sexist comments like he had made. A female executive at R/GA also was offended by Henry’s remarks.
- DonHopkins 8y ago
  How would you describe this one? https://regmedia.co.uk/2017/02/14/magic-leap-sex-discrimination.pdf https://regmedia.co.uk/2017/02/14/magic-leap-sex-discriminat... >As an example of more egregious comments, Campbell told Abovitz of the “Three Os” incident and Vlietstra’s lack of any meaningful discipline in response. As an example of unconscious bias, she told him of an IT employee who was helping Campbell a new logo into the email system. Cognizant that she was taking up a lot of the employee’s time with minor changes to get the logo “perfect,” Campbell apologized for taking up so much of the employee’s time, to which he responded, “Oh, don’t worry, I get it. You’re a woman and you care that things look pretty. I’m a man. I just get the work done.”
- DonHopkins 8y ago
  This one sounds like discrimination to me: https://regmedia.co.uk/2017/02/14/magic-leap-sex-discrimination.pdf https://regmedia.co.uk/2017/02/14/magic-leap-sex-discriminat... >Sadly, because Magic Leap seldom hires and does not actively recruit female candidates, the company loses competitive advantage to products like Microsoft’s Hololens. Microsoft, which employs far more females on its team, developed its similar product on a faster time line with more content that appeals to both genders.

pg_bot 8y ago

I don't think you understand the difference between civil and criminal law. Almost all sexual harassment cases are going to be civil cases, where the only recompense a defendant can expect is monetary. No one is going to jail over a typical sexual harassment case. Now, if a crime such as sexual battery or rape was committed, criminal charges would likely follow. If you win a case you get will get paid whatever is due to you, a wrong will be righted and people will move on with their lives. I understand that you may be dissatisfied with this arrangement, but we don't have time machines so there is no other recourse. All lawsuits fall on a spectrum, there are strong and frivolous cases that settle and go to trial. It's impossible to make a judgement call without hearing the details of a case. If you want to risk going to trial on principle, you may find out that principles are very expensive.

DonHopkins 8y ago
Fortunately we can all read the details of this particular case in the lawsuit, enabling us to more fairly and easily make a judgement call. https://regmedia.co.uk/2017/02/14/magic-leap-sex-discrimination.pdf https://regmedia.co.uk/2017/02/14/magic-leap-sex-discriminat...

titanomachy 8y ago

Is discrimination the same thing as harassment?

DonHopkins 8y ago
Would you consider this discrimination or harassment? https://regmedia.co.uk/2017/02/14/magic-leap-sex-discrimination.pdf https://regmedia.co.uk/2017/02/14/magic-leap-sex-discriminat... >Euen Thompson, an IT Support Lead, on November 16, 2016, gave a tutorial to a group of seven new hires, including two women, how to use Magic Leap’s IT equipment and resources. One woman asked Thompson a question in front of the group and Thompson responded, “Yeah, women always have trouble with computers.” The women in the group, in apparent disbelief, asked Thompson to repeat what he said and Thompson replied, “In IT we have a saying; stay away from the Three Os: Orientals, Old People and Ovaries.”
- stallmanite 8y ago
  Putting aside the rest of that trainwreck, asians (pardon me "orientals") are bad at computers now? I missed the memo on that
DonHopkins 8y ago
How about this, it sounds like harassment to me: https://regmedia.co.uk/2017/02/14/magic-leap-sex-discrimination.pdf https://regmedia.co.uk/2017/02/14/magic-leap-sex-discriminat... >Campbell met September 28, 2016 with Magic Leap CFO Henry and Head of Operations Tina Tuli for a conference call with the CFO and leadership team at R/GA, an award-winning international advertising agency that was Magic Leap’s advertising agency of record. During the call, Henry said of the product under development, “I’m sitting here between two beautiful ladies. They’re not going to want to put a big ugly device over their pretty faces. And I have an office with glass doors, I don’t want people to see me with these beautiful girls with ugly things on their faces.” Later, one of the male R/GA executives on the call asked Campbell if Henry frequently made sexist comments like he had made. A female executive at R/GA also was offended by Henry’s remarks.
DonHopkins 8y ago
How would you describe this one? https://regmedia.co.uk/2017/02/14/magic-leap-sex-discrimination.pdf https://regmedia.co.uk/2017/02/14/magic-leap-sex-discriminat... >As an example of more egregious comments, Campbell told Abovitz of the “Three Os” incident and Vlietstra’s lack of any meaningful discipline in response. As an example of unconscious bias, she told him of an IT employee who was helping Campbell a new logo into the email system. Cognizant that she was taking up a lot of the employee’s time with minor changes to get the logo “perfect,” Campbell apologized for taking up so much of the employee’s time, to which he responded, “Oh, don’t worry, I get it. You’re a woman and you care that things look pretty. I’m a man. I just get the work done.”
DonHopkins 8y ago
This one sounds like discrimination to me: https://regmedia.co.uk/2017/02/14/magic-leap-sex-discrimination.pdf https://regmedia.co.uk/2017/02/14/magic-leap-sex-discriminat... >Sadly, because Magic Leap seldom hires and does not actively recruit female candidates, the company loses competitive advantage to products like Microsoft’s Hololens. Microsoft, which employs far more females on its team, developed its similar product on a faster time line with more content that appeals to both genders.