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I want to retain title bars, clearly separated from toolbars, as the only way to actually move a window. (You know, to upgrade the modern Mac to the same techn

I want to retain title bars, clearly separated from toolbars, as the only way to actually move a window. (You know, to upgrade the modern Mac to the same technology that the Apple IIGS and Mac Plus interfaces were capable of in 1985.) On the surface, you'd think that making a larger clickable area would help. Except, they removed all the boundaries, so you can't tell where the "move my window" pixel ends and the "click this button" pixel begins. That is just stupid design. When I try to click a toolbar button or open a menu, I shouldn't be able to send my window halfway across the screen because I was off by a pixel when swiping the mouse. Adding to the frustration, you can't use Undo to fix this mistake. Apple further "improved" this by banishing customizable toolbars half the time (why?), so I can't even rearrange certain items to reduce my chances of mis-clicking the rest of the window.

pavel_lishin 16y ago
Speaking of toolbars - am I the only one that loathes the fact that you can't use the keyboard to access them on OS X? Sure, a lot of them have keyboard shortcuts, but what if I want to access "Page Setup" with the keyboard alone? http://i.imgur.com/MpfwV.png http://i.imgur.com/MpfwV.png
- makecheck 16y ago
  Once menus are open, the first letters of the item can be typed, e.g. typing "P" highlights Page Setup in an open File menu. Also, the Keyboard pane in System Preferences can be used to assign keys to directly invoke any item in an application (but you have to type in the command's exact name). Actually, you can get to window toolbars...but only with the highly-intuitive keystroke "control-F5" (where control-F4 returns you to the main window, and also acts as a global rotate-between-windows-in-any-app key). From there, you can tab between items one at a time. Once you reach the end of the toolbar, the behavior is slightly different depending on how the application was implemented (Cocoa or not); it might switch to the main window and/or attached drawers, or it may rotate back to the first toolbar item.
  - pavel_lishin 16y ago
    Sure, but to get to the "open menu" scenario, I already have to take my hand off the keyboard. At that point, it's a waste of time going back. Control-F5 isn't doing anything for me on OS X at all.

pavel_lishin 16y ago

Speaking of toolbars - am I the only one that loathes the fact that you can't use the keyboard to access them on OS X? Sure, a lot of them have keyboard shortcuts, but what if I want to access "Page Setup" with the keyboard alone? http://i.imgur.com/MpfwV.png http://i.imgur.com/MpfwV.png

makecheck 16y ago
Once menus are open, the first letters of the item can be typed, e.g. typing "P" highlights Page Setup in an open File menu. Also, the Keyboard pane in System Preferences can be used to assign keys to directly invoke any item in an application (but you have to type in the command's exact name). Actually, you can get to window toolbars...but only with the highly-intuitive keystroke "control-F5" (where control-F4 returns you to the main window, and also acts as a global rotate-between-windows-in-any-app key). From there, you can tab between items one at a time. Once you reach the end of the toolbar, the behavior is slightly different depending on how the application was implemented (Cocoa or not); it might switch to the main window and/or attached drawers, or it may rotate back to the first toolbar item.
- pavel_lishin 16y ago
  Sure, but to get to the "open menu" scenario, I already have to take my hand off the keyboard. At that point, it's a waste of time going back. Control-F5 isn't doing anything for me on OS X at all.