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The US also tends to elect it's dissidents from time to time.. In the eyes of many Trump is probably a dissident, haha :) (Obviously, Trump never opposed real

by jopsen 8y ago

The US also tends to elect it's dissidents from time to time.. In the eyes of many Trump is probably a dissident, haha :) (Obviously, Trump never opposed real oppression, and is not a dissident) I'm sure one could also call Bernie Sanders a dissident, as he opposed real oppression. And he was elected to the senate many times.

coldtea 8y ago
>Obviously, Trump never opposed real oppression, and is not a dissident Well, depends on how you see it. Hillary was the typical hawk ready to continue the war business as usual like Obama. Trump pushed for a more isolationist policy, which after Bush and Obama continuous war making is a breath of fresh air (and made some progress with SK instead of mere aggressions). And for many people (not the 10% that benefits for such things and which most on HN would belong to) globalization itself causes a race to the bottom and oppression. In fact before the "left" (term used loosely) went full-on Democrat-lite, it used to protest globalization (remember Seattle, Genova, etc).
- jopsen 8y ago
  No it doesn't depend on how you see things. You can disagree with Obama, even about facts, but you were not oppressed. Trump claimed Obama was a terrorist. Yet, he was not oppressed. For crying out loud Trump was invited the correspondence dinner when Obama was in office. He was rightly mocked, but he was not disappeared :) But let's get real there were people in America who faced real oppression in the 60'ties civil rights movements. Bernie was one of those, and many of them served as elected politicians later.
  - coldtea 8y ago
    >No it doesn't depend on how you see things. True, my interpretation is objectively right, but I wanted to put it more mildly :-) Though, if you don't believe on God-given rights and wrongs, it still falls on "how you see things" (and your interests), which is the whole point of politics. >You can disagree with Obama, even about facts, but you were not oppressed. Trump claimed Obama was a terrorist. Yet, he was not oppressed. For crying out loud Trump was invited the correspondence dinner when Obama was in office. He was rightly mocked, but he was not disappeared :) Well, people don't disappear under Trump either, so there's that. I made some specific points under which Trumps politics could be seen as better (being against the constant after 9-11 wars and interventionism and the pro-corporate globalization). In any case, as a non-American, I mostly care about the foreign policy: stopping the hawkish attitude, and making a stand against "race to the bottom" globalization. I remember a time when the "left" were for those things too, instead of against them because Trump peddles them.
    - sangnoir 8y ago
      > Well, people don't disappear under Trump either, About that: there's a lot of parents looking for their children at this very moment.
  - hprotagonist 8y ago
    John Lewis.

by jopsen 8y ago

coldtea 8y ago

>Obviously, Trump never opposed real oppression, and is not a dissident Well, depends on how you see it. Hillary was the typical hawk ready to continue the war business as usual like Obama. Trump pushed for a more isolationist policy, which after Bush and Obama continuous war making is a breath of fresh air (and made some progress with SK instead of mere aggressions). And for many people (not the 10% that benefits for such things and which most on HN would belong to) globalization itself causes a race to the bottom and oppression. In fact before the "left" (term used loosely) went full-on Democrat-lite, it used to protest globalization (remember Seattle, Genova, etc).

jopsen 8y ago
No it doesn't depend on how you see things. You can disagree with Obama, even about facts, but you were not oppressed. Trump claimed Obama was a terrorist. Yet, he was not oppressed. For crying out loud Trump was invited the correspondence dinner when Obama was in office. He was rightly mocked, but he was not disappeared :) But let's get real there were people in America who faced real oppression in the 60'ties civil rights movements. Bernie was one of those, and many of them served as elected politicians later.
- coldtea 8y ago
  >No it doesn't depend on how you see things. True, my interpretation is objectively right, but I wanted to put it more mildly :-) Though, if you don't believe on God-given rights and wrongs, it still falls on "how you see things" (and your interests), which is the whole point of politics. >You can disagree with Obama, even about facts, but you were not oppressed. Trump claimed Obama was a terrorist. Yet, he was not oppressed. For crying out loud Trump was invited the correspondence dinner when Obama was in office. He was rightly mocked, but he was not disappeared :) Well, people don't disappear under Trump either, so there's that. I made some specific points under which Trumps politics could be seen as better (being against the constant after 9-11 wars and interventionism and the pro-corporate globalization). In any case, as a non-American, I mostly care about the foreign policy: stopping the hawkish attitude, and making a stand against "race to the bottom" globalization. I remember a time when the "left" were for those things too, instead of against them because Trump peddles them.
  - sangnoir 8y ago
    > Well, people don't disappear under Trump either, About that: there's a lot of parents looking for their children at this very moment.
- hprotagonist 8y ago
  John Lewis.