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I see one of the new regs is this: >bans e-cigarettes from planes; You already can't bring vapes in checked luggage, so what are the nicotine addicted supposed

I see one of the new regs is this: >bans e-cigarettes from planes; You already can't bring vapes in checked luggage, so what are the nicotine addicted supposed to do? Switch to cigarettes at their destination, since they can't take their vapes along with them? This might be trivial to some folks, but I know people for whom this will be an absolute nightmare. Anyway, this is easy for the non-addicted to see as a non-issue or a minor change, but for those who have nicotine habits, this makes airplanes that much more of a hellish experience than they already are. Worse, it actively punishes the folks trying to get away from smoking analog cigarettes, because it makes it nigh impossible for them to take their substitute when they travel..

chomp 8y ago
Ecigs are incredibly annoying to me personally. The vapor is usually some sickly sweet cloud that gets everywhere and I usually smell like jolly rancher or worthers original after being near one. If someone is that addicted, there's gums and patches that should be sufficient. There's over a hundred people sharing that space, and we need to be courteous to everyone else for the small amount of time we're crammed together.
- Falling3 8y ago
  > There's over a hundred people sharing that space, and we need to be courteous to everyone else for the small amount of time we're crammed together. How do you think this actually change impacts people _while_ on the plane since vapes have already been banned from carry-ons? Your comment doesn't seem to be relevant to this change.
  - Jtsummers 8y ago
    > since vapes have already been banned from carry-ons That's not true. They are allowed on carry-on, but not checked bags. The change only bans their use on planes, not their presence. https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/items/electronic-cigarettes-and-vaping-devices https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/...
- IvyMike 8y ago
  He's wondering what to do when he steps off the plane, jonesing for a nic fix.
- pmilla1606 8y ago
  I don't think anyone was suggesting actually vaping on the plane next to other people - I'm pretty sure that was never cool with flight attendants and/or other passengers. The question is: if I am not allowed to bring (potentially expensive and/or hard-to-find) e-cigs on board, what do I do when I land? Can I put them in checked luggage? Do I have to throw them out if I forget they're on me? Too bad? I don't have any answers but I personally use an e-cig to keep me from going back to the real thing (real cigarettes that is).
- hbosch 8y ago
  This is why I am proposing an amendment to this bill that also bans farting and taking your shoes off.
TeMPOraL 8y ago
I don't understand all those bans on e-cigarettes that pop up. They're essentially harmless, as opposed to "analog ones". I get that some people don't like to see any kind of smoke in general, but actual smoking is a public health problem, and IMO society should be supportive of e-cigarettes as a quite decent solution to this problem.
- Jtsummers 8y ago
  This is not a ban on the e-cigarettes, just on their use on the plane. You can still carry them to your destination.
  - TeMPOraL 8y ago
    Parent implied you can't bring them on board at all (checked or hand). Also, I was making a more general point. I see e-cig bans everywhere I go, both in my country and abroad.
- jplayer01 8y ago
  ... what makes you think e-cigarettes are harmless?
  - TeMPOraL 8y ago
    They don't contain any of the substances that are harmful in analog cigarettes. They're essentially nicotine + stage smoke.
    - loco5niner 8y ago
      Whether nicotine is harmful seems to be under debate: https://tobacco.ucsf.edu/cdc-publishes-more-evidence-nicotine-dangerous-all-itself https://tobacco.ucsf.edu/cdc-publishes-more-evidence-nicotin... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4363846/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4363846/
      - 8y ago
berbec 8y ago
I wonder about this too. As a long-time vaper who actually quit smoking with them, this makes airline travel a nightmare. Do I mail my vape to my destination? Buy a new one on the way? Attempt to sneak it on with the horror that possibly opens up?
- ghaff 8y ago
  You put them in your carry-on and leave them there as you do today.
- deleted 8y ago
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resonanttoe 8y ago
IANAL but I think you're safe to bring it on board. SEC. 534 from https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/4/text https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/4/te... just seeks to classify E-cigs in the same class as traditional cigarettes. There's no prohibition on carrying them onboard, only usage.
- giggles_giggles 8y ago
  Yes thank you! My apologies, I misunderstood the regulation. The article reported it as a ban, and I thought that meant they were no longer allowed to be carried on board. AFAIK actually using them has been banned for awhile? But perhaps it was only de facto banned.
  - SOLAR_FIELDS 8y ago
    I believe they were banned by airlines specifically but I am not sure if they were federally banned - meaning I am not sure if you could actually get fined for just using one.
Jtsummers 8y ago
E-cigarette smoking is prohibited, not the e-cigarettes themselves. That's a poorly worded summary of the change. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/302/text https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/302/... SEC. 409 Adds e-cigarettes to Section 41706 of title 49 of the US Code and bans their use on planes (equivalent to the ban on the use of cigarettes).
- mrep 8y ago
  Wasn't that already the law?
  - Jtsummers 8y ago
    Apparently not. Cigarette use was banned by law. E-cigarette use was only banned by convention or airline policy.
laken 8y ago
The reason for the e-cig ban in checked baggage is due to the chance of combustion, as if it exploded in your carry-on, it can be extinguished. It's similar to the Samsung Note ban not too long ago, even though no Samsung Notes ever exploded in-flight, they had known problems with the battery. Air travel is crazy about not taking chances, and many e-cigs have shady bargain-bin lithium batteries.
- ddingus 8y ago
  And or shady power management circuits
notacoward 8y ago
> what are the nicotine addicted supposed to do? Patches. Like many people I know used to use before vaping became A Thing.
- stephengillie 8y ago
  Or gum, or even chew if you're desperate. There are almost as many smokeless tobacco options as there are smokeless cannabis options.
- deleted 8y ago
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krapp 8y ago
>You already can't bring vapes in checked luggage, so what are the nicotine addicted supposed to do? Put up with it or don't fly. The nicotine addicted don't have a right to nicotine.
Simulacra 8y ago
You could quite smoking...
- ddingus 8y ago
  Yeah. Easy to say. Seriously, doing that is often extremely difficult. For many in tech, and people oriented / facing work, there is a cycle of stress and or anxiety relief that amplifies when quitting. Ability to create and interact with people in difficult or higher pressure scenarios are all, can be, very significantly impacted. For many, really quiting takes a significant life event, or a substantial period of time away from the triggers as well as the cigarettes. Of course people vary. Some can do it cold, others patch, others can use drugs like Chantix. In my own scenario, Chantix was very bad news. Did not work, and I had those side effects. Big. Was scary and all escalated over a matter of a couple weeks. I had started in the military, and quitting was a serious struggle. Vapor pens got me off tobacco, and the benefits were more or less immediate! Overall well being shot up fast, and continues on a slow ramp up. As harm reduction, I have little question in my mind. The two are almost not comparable. Night and day type stuff I have been diluting the percentages down and it has reached the point where I am going longer times without thinking about it much. All that with marginal inpact on create and people handling / interaction too. Life has been tough on a number of fronts, basically denying me the time / space needed to deal hard core. Vaping ranges from a fairly tepid thing to obnoxious big clouds where the room ends up a sticky mist! Mutual consideration points to some regulation, and so far I see nothing unreasonable. People judging others harshly on various vices has never been a thing I find productive. (Not implying you are, just making a germane point here) Minimizing harm, making sure people have options, treatment when they get into trouble are all much more productive and sane policy. In basic terms, vaping is not even in the same class as smoking is. The big cloud people do approach that, and a few of them going to town can make a mess on par with smokers generally, but doing that is an edge case. The vast majority will do it in the same way people use wine, as an example. Real addiction will creep up on people. Happens, and the very last thing they need is a toxic culture adding difficulty to what will already be difficult enough. Just embracing harm reduction would have a hard to miss, positive impact.
  - 8y ago
tokyodude 8y ago
what did you do for the many years between total smoking ban on planes and the introduction of vape?
throwaway080383 8y ago
An absolute nightmare! A hellish experience!
lxmorj 8y ago
Gum?
netsharc 8y ago
As many have replied, taking it is apparently still legal, just not smoking it on board. I also assumed it a total ban, and I wondered if the tobacco lobby had something to do with it: legend has it that the govt wanted to ban bringing lighters into the cabin after 9/11, but the tobacco lobby intervened. And guess what, nope they were not on the banned items list.

chomp 8y ago

Ecigs are incredibly annoying to me personally. The vapor is usually some sickly sweet cloud that gets everywhere and I usually smell like jolly rancher or worthers original after being near one. If someone is that addicted, there's gums and patches that should be sufficient. There's over a hundred people sharing that space, and we need to be courteous to everyone else for the small amount of time we're crammed together.

Falling3 8y ago
> There's over a hundred people sharing that space, and we need to be courteous to everyone else for the small amount of time we're crammed together. How do you think this actually change impacts people _while_ on the plane since vapes have already been banned from carry-ons? Your comment doesn't seem to be relevant to this change.
- Jtsummers 8y ago
  > since vapes have already been banned from carry-ons That's not true. They are allowed on carry-on, but not checked bags. The change only bans their use on planes, not their presence. https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/items/electronic-cigarettes-and-vaping-devices https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/...
IvyMike 8y ago
He's wondering what to do when he steps off the plane, jonesing for a nic fix.
pmilla1606 8y ago
I don't think anyone was suggesting actually vaping on the plane next to other people - I'm pretty sure that was never cool with flight attendants and/or other passengers. The question is: if I am not allowed to bring (potentially expensive and/or hard-to-find) e-cigs on board, what do I do when I land? Can I put them in checked luggage? Do I have to throw them out if I forget they're on me? Too bad? I don't have any answers but I personally use an e-cig to keep me from going back to the real thing (real cigarettes that is).
hbosch 8y ago
This is why I am proposing an amendment to this bill that also bans farting and taking your shoes off.

TeMPOraL 8y ago

I don't understand all those bans on e-cigarettes that pop up. They're essentially harmless, as opposed to "analog ones". I get that some people don't like to see any kind of smoke in general, but actual smoking is a public health problem, and IMO society should be supportive of e-cigarettes as a quite decent solution to this problem.

Jtsummers 8y ago
This is not a ban on the e-cigarettes, just on their use on the plane. You can still carry them to your destination.
- TeMPOraL 8y ago
  Parent implied you can't bring them on board at all (checked or hand). Also, I was making a more general point. I see e-cig bans everywhere I go, both in my country and abroad.
jplayer01 8y ago
... what makes you think e-cigarettes are harmless?
- TeMPOraL 8y ago
  They don't contain any of the substances that are harmful in analog cigarettes. They're essentially nicotine + stage smoke.
  - loco5niner 8y ago
    Whether nicotine is harmful seems to be under debate: https://tobacco.ucsf.edu/cdc-publishes-more-evidence-nicotine-dangerous-all-itself https://tobacco.ucsf.edu/cdc-publishes-more-evidence-nicotin... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4363846/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4363846/
    - 8y ago

berbec 8y ago

I wonder about this too. As a long-time vaper who actually quit smoking with them, this makes airline travel a nightmare. Do I mail my vape to my destination? Buy a new one on the way? Attempt to sneak it on with the horror that possibly opens up?

ghaff 8y ago
You put them in your carry-on and leave them there as you do today.
deleted 8y ago
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resonanttoe 8y ago

IANAL but I think you're safe to bring it on board. SEC. 534 from https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/4/text https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/4/te... just seeks to classify E-cigs in the same class as traditional cigarettes. There's no prohibition on carrying them onboard, only usage.

giggles_giggles 8y ago
Yes thank you! My apologies, I misunderstood the regulation. The article reported it as a ban, and I thought that meant they were no longer allowed to be carried on board. AFAIK actually using them has been banned for awhile? But perhaps it was only de facto banned.
- SOLAR_FIELDS 8y ago
  I believe they were banned by airlines specifically but I am not sure if they were federally banned - meaning I am not sure if you could actually get fined for just using one.

Jtsummers 8y ago

E-cigarette smoking is prohibited, not the e-cigarettes themselves. That's a poorly worded summary of the change. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/302/text https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/302/... SEC. 409 Adds e-cigarettes to Section 41706 of title 49 of the US Code and bans their use on planes (equivalent to the ban on the use of cigarettes).

mrep 8y ago
Wasn't that already the law?
- Jtsummers 8y ago
  Apparently not. Cigarette use was banned by law. E-cigarette use was only banned by convention or airline policy.

laken 8y ago

The reason for the e-cig ban in checked baggage is due to the chance of combustion, as if it exploded in your carry-on, it can be extinguished. It's similar to the Samsung Note ban not too long ago, even though no Samsung Notes ever exploded in-flight, they had known problems with the battery. Air travel is crazy about not taking chances, and many e-cigs have shady bargain-bin lithium batteries.

ddingus 8y ago
And or shady power management circuits

notacoward 8y ago

> what are the nicotine addicted supposed to do? Patches. Like many people I know used to use before vaping became A Thing.

stephengillie 8y ago
Or gum, or even chew if you're desperate. There are almost as many smokeless tobacco options as there are smokeless cannabis options.
deleted 8y ago
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krapp 8y ago

>You already can't bring vapes in checked luggage, so what are the nicotine addicted supposed to do? Put up with it or don't fly. The nicotine addicted don't have a right to nicotine.

Simulacra 8y ago

You could quite smoking...

ddingus 8y ago
Yeah. Easy to say. Seriously, doing that is often extremely difficult. For many in tech, and people oriented / facing work, there is a cycle of stress and or anxiety relief that amplifies when quitting. Ability to create and interact with people in difficult or higher pressure scenarios are all, can be, very significantly impacted. For many, really quiting takes a significant life event, or a substantial period of time away from the triggers as well as the cigarettes. Of course people vary. Some can do it cold, others patch, others can use drugs like Chantix. In my own scenario, Chantix was very bad news. Did not work, and I had those side effects. Big. Was scary and all escalated over a matter of a couple weeks. I had started in the military, and quitting was a serious struggle. Vapor pens got me off tobacco, and the benefits were more or less immediate! Overall well being shot up fast, and continues on a slow ramp up. As harm reduction, I have little question in my mind. The two are almost not comparable. Night and day type stuff I have been diluting the percentages down and it has reached the point where I am going longer times without thinking about it much. All that with marginal inpact on create and people handling / interaction too. Life has been tough on a number of fronts, basically denying me the time / space needed to deal hard core. Vaping ranges from a fairly tepid thing to obnoxious big clouds where the room ends up a sticky mist! Mutual consideration points to some regulation, and so far I see nothing unreasonable. People judging others harshly on various vices has never been a thing I find productive. (Not implying you are, just making a germane point here) Minimizing harm, making sure people have options, treatment when they get into trouble are all much more productive and sane policy. In basic terms, vaping is not even in the same class as smoking is. The big cloud people do approach that, and a few of them going to town can make a mess on par with smokers generally, but doing that is an edge case. The vast majority will do it in the same way people use wine, as an example. Real addiction will creep up on people. Happens, and the very last thing they need is a toxic culture adding difficulty to what will already be difficult enough. Just embracing harm reduction would have a hard to miss, positive impact.
- 8y ago

tokyodude 8y ago

what did you do for the many years between total smoking ban on planes and the introduction of vape?

throwaway080383 8y ago

An absolute nightmare! A hellish experience!

lxmorj 8y ago

Gum?

netsharc 8y ago

As many have replied, taking it is apparently still legal, just not smoking it on board. I also assumed it a total ban, and I wondered if the tobacco lobby had something to do with it: legend has it that the govt wanted to ban bringing lighters into the cabin after 9/11, but the tobacco lobby intervened. And guess what, nope they were not on the banned items list.