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Using International Students as Cash Cows Does No One Any Favours
- jpatokal 8y ago(2014), not that anything has changed. The article is about Australia, but the content applies to pretty much anywhere that accepts international students for money -- grade inflation is very much a thing in the US too.
- raincom 8y agoLook at its correlate locally: forcing everyone to have a degree even to work at Enterprise car rental.
- icelancer 8y agoYou also need an undergraduate degree to sit for the Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist (CSCS) exam. Me, the operator and owner of a sports science company that does eight digits of revenue, cannot sit for it because I dropped out of an undergrad program. Yep. That makes sense.
- Dancecity 8y agoGuaranteed student loans are at the heart of the issue.
- mmirate 8y agoIsn't part of the blame also upon primary and secondary education, for not producing graduates who can work at a car rental shop?
- liftbigweights 8y agoNo it isn't. It's an oversupply of labor vis a vis jobs. In the late 90s, high school students and gardeners could get jobs in tech. When there are too few jobs for the population, credentialitis happens. This is why government jobs are pretty much all about credentials. When there are too many jobs for the population, they lower the bar when it comes to credentials.
- nraynaud 8y agowhat's interesting for people with an non-xenophobic eye, is the contrast between the students, those whose parents or sponsor paid for everything and those who are really trying to turn their destiny around. It really mimic the American side of thing with the prep schools, the legacy admission, the fraternities vs the first gen students or even the students born in a reservation.
- auganov 8y agoBriefly attended one of these prep schools. There was as much contrast between people as anywhere else. Including contrast in affluence (being able to afford a five figure tuition doesn't automatically make one crazy rich).
- zwayhowder 8y agoI am just about halfway through an MBA program at an Australian University. On average most of my essay assignments are 2000 words +-10%. I was writing 2000 word essays in high school 20 years ago, this is not what I expected at all. Having said that I didn't do an undergraduate degree, and really want that piece of paper so I can open some new doors. So many of the other students in my group work shouldn't be passing high school classes let along a postgraduate degree from a "world class" university. One thing I want to make clear is this is not xenophobia, I speak (a little) Mandarin, Korean & Japanese. I love working in multicultural teams. I don't care where you are from or how hard it is to speak English any more than people in China, Korea & Japan care how badly I mangle their languages. I care if you don't try, don't practice and play the racism card when a lecturer fails you because you clearly don't understand the premise of the subject.
- soared 8y agoHow did you get into an MBA program without an undergraduate degree?
- exotree 8y agoIf you have a lot of professional experience and high marks on the GMAT you’ll be able to get into a surprising number of MBA programs at prestigious universities. I’m sure networking also helps.
- jimnotgym 8y agoThere are plenty of MBA programs in the UK that don't require an undergraduate degree. A person in my family got onto one with no real 'high school' level qualifications even! He struggled and dropped out. What they really want from you is fees.
- ShorsHammer 8y agoAustralian universities recognise prior work experience for a MBA. If you've working been in a business related field (virtually most office jobs) and have some aptitude there's a good chance of getting admitted.
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- electricslpnsld 8y agoIt was interesting to see the breakdown of country of origin for students at my alma mater. The undergrad program was by and large Americans, the masters program mostly students from China and India, while the PhD program was roughly 50/50 students from China and the US. Sorting by price, the masters degree was by far the most expensive, undergrad was fairly pricey but with tons of financial aid available, while the Ph.D. students were all paid a stipend of 30K a year. At ~50K a year in tuition for the masters program, the CS department was making bank by inflating the size of masters cohort. Seemed kind of unfair to the masters students, from my perspective.
- ams6110 8y ago> Seemed kind of unfair to the masters students Many of them don't care, as long as the university stamps a MS degree for them after two years.
- darkerside 8y agoWhat's unfair? Admitting so many of them, or charging so much?
- crunchiebones 8y agounfair to who? charging so much is unfair to the masters students who are paying too much for something worth far less and admitting so many of them is unfair to the other students (especially asians who are not from china) and staff, whose reputation they damage
- Latteland 8y agoIt's unfair because the school gets used to the far higher tuition charged for international students, and they don't allow domestic students in. Or they set aside a max % that can be foreign. The schools need the money. But foreign students take the place of domestic students, especially at selective institutions.
- forkLding 8y agoI've noticed that undergrad international students pay a lot more in terms of tuition fees, usually 3x that of an average domestic student.