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>allows the Justice Department, Homeland Security, and other federal law enforcement agencies to hack or shoot down privately owned drones if they deem them a t

>allows the Justice Department, Homeland Security, and other federal law enforcement agencies to hack or shoot down privately owned drones if they deem them a threat they just kinda slipped that one in there... the rest seem pretty benign. Maybe this one: >increases the penalties for interfering with cabin crew or flight crew is there any reason to believe that the current penalties aren't working and that increasing them will fix it?

macspoofing 8y ago
>is there any reason to believe that the current penalties aren't working and that increasing them will fix it? Good question. I cannot imagine anyone daring to mess with the cabin or flight crew in this age.
- markovbot 8y ago
  The bloomberg article links an inc.com [0] article outlining some incidents of people interfering with flight crew. None of these seem like the sort of thing where the perpetrator stops and weights the potential punishment vs how much they want to interfere with the crew. They mostly seem to be people acting irrationally for one reason or another. One person was drunk, one person decided to respond to a request to put her tray table away by calling the flight attendant the n word. [0]: https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/the-drunk-passenger-diverted-flight-racial-slur-heres-what-happened-on-these-american-airlines-southwest-airlines-flights.html https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/the-drunk-passenger-diver...
Old_Thrashbarg 8y ago
Seems reasonable to me that they can shoot down drones if they are a threat, at least in theory, hopefully it won't get abused.
- theandrewbailey 8y ago
  I wouldn't count on it. I wouldn't be surprised if some will understand it as 'shoot on sight'.
- markovbot 8y ago
  > hopefully it won't get abused. Yeah, it will absolutely be abused. Everything is a "threat".
  - ip26 8y ago
    Even my harmless little drone. Come on, yeah it may have been hovering in the middle of the runway, but I would have moved it if a plane was coming. Sheesh, "threat", what nonsense.
    - markovbot 8y ago
      I'm more concerned about things like drones filming police activity being shot out of the sky, because they were "threatening".
- DenisM 8y ago
  Sounds like a fun job - patrolling the airfield with a shotgun, shooting down them drones. Aibo dog will bring you the read body of the drone.
mi100hael 8y ago
Maybe benign, but also amusing that this got slipped in too: > requires the FAA to set up an "Office of Spaceports"
- stephengillie 8y ago
  We need somewhere for alien motherships to land and trade their wares. Roswell has too many tourists.
- azernik 8y ago
  You joke, but there is actual serious regulatory uncertainty with space launches - the Air Force is trying to hand over more and more regulatory authority to civilians, and there's a serious question of which responsibilities belong to the DoC (through the FCC, for historical reasons) and which to the DoT (through the FAA).
- bonestamp2 8y ago
  There already are some spaceports in the US. So I guess it kind of makes sense to have some oversight. Although I assumed this was just covered by the FAA since they're basically just airplanes at this point.
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Simulacra 8y ago
I strongly disagree with the power flight attendants have been given. There is zero recourse when a flight attendant makes a decision, or more often than not, denies you something, flat out lies, or treats you like crap. You can complain to the airline but good luck with that. This new law seems to me that if you even argue with a flight attendant you're kicked off the plane and fined.
- csours 8y ago
  When have you had cause to argue with a flight attendant?
  - leesalminen 8y ago
    Normally I wouldn’t recommend arguing with a flight attendant but just yesterday I was on a flight from PMC - PUQ (Chile on Latam) where I and another passenger had a boarding pass with seat 16-J. Because the other person boarded first the flight attendant basically told me “too bad”. I was standing in the aisle holding up traffic with nowhere to go. I had to get pretty blunt with her to find me another seat or I would continue standing in the aisle holding up the boarding process. What do you know, after I became serious they found me another seat.
    - csours 8y ago
      This brings up a good point: I would agree with extra penalties for disrupting behaviour while the airplane is underway, especially take off and landing. Boarding and disembarking not so much.
- jamamp 8y ago
  - prohibits airlines from "bumping" passengers who've already boarded a plane; - requires airlines to refund passengers for "services they paid for but did not receive"; It seems to me these points potentially balance out some of the power that flight attendants have, however.

macspoofing 8y ago

>is there any reason to believe that the current penalties aren't working and that increasing them will fix it? Good question. I cannot imagine anyone daring to mess with the cabin or flight crew in this age.

markovbot 8y ago
The bloomberg article links an inc.com [0] article outlining some incidents of people interfering with flight crew. None of these seem like the sort of thing where the perpetrator stops and weights the potential punishment vs how much they want to interfere with the crew. They mostly seem to be people acting irrationally for one reason or another. One person was drunk, one person decided to respond to a request to put her tray table away by calling the flight attendant the n word. [0]: https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/the-drunk-passenger-diverted-flight-racial-slur-heres-what-happened-on-these-american-airlines-southwest-airlines-flights.html https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/the-drunk-passenger-diver...

Old_Thrashbarg 8y ago

Seems reasonable to me that they can shoot down drones if they are a threat, at least in theory, hopefully it won't get abused.

theandrewbailey 8y ago
I wouldn't count on it. I wouldn't be surprised if some will understand it as 'shoot on sight'.
markovbot 8y ago
> hopefully it won't get abused. Yeah, it will absolutely be abused. Everything is a "threat".
- ip26 8y ago
  Even my harmless little drone. Come on, yeah it may have been hovering in the middle of the runway, but I would have moved it if a plane was coming. Sheesh, "threat", what nonsense.
  - markovbot 8y ago
    I'm more concerned about things like drones filming police activity being shot out of the sky, because they were "threatening".
DenisM 8y ago
Sounds like a fun job - patrolling the airfield with a shotgun, shooting down them drones. Aibo dog will bring you the read body of the drone.

mi100hael 8y ago

Maybe benign, but also amusing that this got slipped in too: > requires the FAA to set up an "Office of Spaceports"

stephengillie 8y ago
We need somewhere for alien motherships to land and trade their wares. Roswell has too many tourists.
azernik 8y ago
You joke, but there is actual serious regulatory uncertainty with space launches - the Air Force is trying to hand over more and more regulatory authority to civilians, and there's a serious question of which responsibilities belong to the DoC (through the FCC, for historical reasons) and which to the DoT (through the FAA).
bonestamp2 8y ago
There already are some spaceports in the US. So I guess it kind of makes sense to have some oversight. Although I assumed this was just covered by the FAA since they're basically just airplanes at this point.

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Simulacra 8y ago

I strongly disagree with the power flight attendants have been given. There is zero recourse when a flight attendant makes a decision, or more often than not, denies you something, flat out lies, or treats you like crap. You can complain to the airline but good luck with that. This new law seems to me that if you even argue with a flight attendant you're kicked off the plane and fined.

csours 8y ago
When have you had cause to argue with a flight attendant?
- leesalminen 8y ago
  Normally I wouldn’t recommend arguing with a flight attendant but just yesterday I was on a flight from PMC - PUQ (Chile on Latam) where I and another passenger had a boarding pass with seat 16-J. Because the other person boarded first the flight attendant basically told me “too bad”. I was standing in the aisle holding up traffic with nowhere to go. I had to get pretty blunt with her to find me another seat or I would continue standing in the aisle holding up the boarding process. What do you know, after I became serious they found me another seat.
  - csours 8y ago
    This brings up a good point: I would agree with extra penalties for disrupting behaviour while the airplane is underway, especially take off and landing. Boarding and disembarking not so much.
jamamp 8y ago
- prohibits airlines from "bumping" passengers who've already boarded a plane; - requires airlines to refund passengers for "services they paid for but did not receive"; It seems to me these points potentially balance out some of the power that flight attendants have, however.