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Why do all wild lions look the same? Are their bodies not complex like ours? Fasting is followed by animals too. When they fall sick they fast. Deliberate fast

by msiyer 8y ago

Why do all wild lions look the same? Are their bodies not complex like ours? Fasting is followed by animals too. When they fall sick they fast. Deliberate fasting in humans is a necessity because humans eat unnatural food.

soared 8y ago
Animals also eat their own throw-up, that doesn't mean we should too.
toasterlovin 8y ago
Lion diets haven't changed since lions became a distinct species. Human diets have changed drastically in the last 10k years. And there are well known examples of humans evolving adaptations to changing diets (lactase persistence in Northern Europeans being the most obvious). It would be crazy to think that other, less obvious adaptations to diet haven't occurred in basically every other region with a distinct diet.
- msiyer 8y ago
  Also look at osteoporosis rates in Western cultures. Lactose tolerance\intolerance is the term. I can smoke 20 cigarettes a day and my body tolerates that. Does not mean it is good for me.
  - toasterlovin 8y ago
    Lactase persistence is the name of the trait that makes a person tolerant of lactose: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactase_persistence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactase_persistence And I’m not sure what you thought I said, but I’m not arguing that milk consumption is great. Well, not in the post you responded to; I do think milk is pretty amazing. All I was saying is that it is an example of humans evolving adaptations to their diets. But on the topic of milk consumption: there may be drawbacks, but the gene for lactase persistence is one of the fastest spreading genes in recent history. Consuming milk was an utter (there’s a pun to be made here, but I will exercise restraint) game changer for Northern Europeans. Even today, milk is an amazing source of well-balanced nutrition. It’s cheap, easy to consume, and pretty tasty at room temperature. If it doesn’t cause explosive things to happen to your intestines, that is.
    - msiyer 8y ago
      My point is that body will adapt to all situations. Smoke your first cigarette and body revolts. It becomes progressively easy. Body adapted. Is it good? Same with milk, meat, sugar...
groby_b 8y ago
Oh dear, it's not entirely clear where to even start with this. Let's begin with the fact that we're not lions. We're not even carnivores. And there's some research evidence that in omnivores, short-term fasting leads to increased acidification in the stomach, while it doesn't for carnivores - that's a rather substantial difference. Then, we come to the magic of "unnatural" food. We'll leave out the fact that such a thing doesn't exist and assume you mean processed food. What exactly is the proposed mechanism here where fasting is beneficial? And why can't that same mechanism be achieved via less processed food? And which processing are we even talking about? Also: > Why do all wild lions look the same? Have you actually seen wild lions? They look roughly the same in the sense that "all white people look the same". I.e. not at all.
- msiyer 8y ago
  > Let's begin with the fact that we're not lions. We're not even carnivores. It is evident we are not lions. It is also evident that we are not carnivores. Are you sure we are omnivores? Fasting has been recommended in Eastern cultures for thousands of years. If they were bad, we would have known. > Then, we come to the magic of "unnatural" food. We'll leave out the fact that such a thing doesn't exist and assume you mean processed food. Processed food is unnatural. We were not designed to eat such crap. The diseases we have to endure are the evidence. Try feeding your dog or cat the same crap and they get sick too. What more proof is needed? > Have you actually seen wild lions? They look roughly the same in the sense that "all white people look the same". I.e. not at all. What I meant is that they look lean and mean. Not one obese lion will you find in the wild.
  - Retric 8y ago
    > Are you sure we are omnivores? Yes, you can look at our digestive system and teeth to see clear omnivore adaptations. Both are closer to say bears than either cows or lions. What's really interesting is lions for example can't grind their teeth.
    - msiyer 8y ago
      I am not so sure. A mouse does not cook flesh, we do. They eat rotten flesh too. The day humans can eat uncooked\rotten flesh and not fall sick, I will consider us to be omnivores.

by msiyer 8y ago

soared 8y ago

Animals also eat their own throw-up, that doesn't mean we should too.

toasterlovin 8y ago

Lion diets haven't changed since lions became a distinct species. Human diets have changed drastically in the last 10k years. And there are well known examples of humans evolving adaptations to changing diets (lactase persistence in Northern Europeans being the most obvious). It would be crazy to think that other, less obvious adaptations to diet haven't occurred in basically every other region with a distinct diet.

msiyer 8y ago
Also look at osteoporosis rates in Western cultures. Lactose tolerance\intolerance is the term. I can smoke 20 cigarettes a day and my body tolerates that. Does not mean it is good for me.
- toasterlovin 8y ago
  Lactase persistence is the name of the trait that makes a person tolerant of lactose: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactase_persistence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactase_persistence And I’m not sure what you thought I said, but I’m not arguing that milk consumption is great. Well, not in the post you responded to; I do think milk is pretty amazing. All I was saying is that it is an example of humans evolving adaptations to their diets. But on the topic of milk consumption: there may be drawbacks, but the gene for lactase persistence is one of the fastest spreading genes in recent history. Consuming milk was an utter (there’s a pun to be made here, but I will exercise restraint) game changer for Northern Europeans. Even today, milk is an amazing source of well-balanced nutrition. It’s cheap, easy to consume, and pretty tasty at room temperature. If it doesn’t cause explosive things to happen to your intestines, that is.
  - msiyer 8y ago
    My point is that body will adapt to all situations. Smoke your first cigarette and body revolts. It becomes progressively easy. Body adapted. Is it good? Same with milk, meat, sugar...

groby_b 8y ago

Oh dear, it's not entirely clear where to even start with this. Let's begin with the fact that we're not lions. We're not even carnivores. And there's some research evidence that in omnivores, short-term fasting leads to increased acidification in the stomach, while it doesn't for carnivores - that's a rather substantial difference. Then, we come to the magic of "unnatural" food. We'll leave out the fact that such a thing doesn't exist and assume you mean processed food. What exactly is the proposed mechanism here where fasting is beneficial? And why can't that same mechanism be achieved via less processed food? And which processing are we even talking about? Also: > Why do all wild lions look the same? Have you actually seen wild lions? They look roughly the same in the sense that "all white people look the same". I.e. not at all.

msiyer 8y ago
> Let's begin with the fact that we're not lions. We're not even carnivores. It is evident we are not lions. It is also evident that we are not carnivores. Are you sure we are omnivores? Fasting has been recommended in Eastern cultures for thousands of years. If they were bad, we would have known. > Then, we come to the magic of "unnatural" food. We'll leave out the fact that such a thing doesn't exist and assume you mean processed food. Processed food is unnatural. We were not designed to eat such crap. The diseases we have to endure are the evidence. Try feeding your dog or cat the same crap and they get sick too. What more proof is needed? > Have you actually seen wild lions? They look roughly the same in the sense that "all white people look the same". I.e. not at all. What I meant is that they look lean and mean. Not one obese lion will you find in the wild.
- Retric 8y ago
  > Are you sure we are omnivores? Yes, you can look at our digestive system and teeth to see clear omnivore adaptations. Both are closer to say bears than either cows or lions. What's really interesting is lions for example can't grind their teeth.
  - msiyer 8y ago
    I am not so sure. A mouse does not cook flesh, we do. They eat rotten flesh too. The day humans can eat uncooked\rotten flesh and not fall sick, I will consider us to be omnivores.