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What if you buy it used?
by altec3 8y ago
What if you buy it used?
- tjoff 8y agoOr let a friend drive?
- mikestew 8y agoYour friend, or the new used car owner, will get to push a button every time the car starts, agreeing to the contract. Yeah, yeah, unenforcable, blah, blah. You want to go to the mall, or not?
- thrower123 8y agoIf we have EU cookie banners every time we turn the key in the ignition, I give up. I'm going to find some 80s pickups in Arizona or something and start stockpiling them.
- madisp 8y agoalready true for some models with some features like Nissan Leaf with the remote control app - https://www.reddit.com/r/leaf/comments/4i4f3s/how_do_i_get_rid_of_this_message_every_time_i/ https://www.reddit.com/r/leaf/comments/4i4f3s/how_do_i_get_r...
- mikestew 8y agoNot quite true as I stated it. You can drive around all you want with that screen showing without ever pressing any buttons. Source: our '11 Leaf. (Though I'll admit that that annoying screen was at least a partial inspiration for my original comment.)
- tjoff 8y agoCan you press decline? I can't read what the other button says.
- mikestew 8y agoYup, there's a "decline" button. The ironic thing is that my acceptance or declination doesn't go anywhere. The original Leafs used frequencies (GPRS) that AT&T quit supporting. Since the now-worthless radio is a useless threat surface, I had Nissan remove it for free. Because CarWings is a mere half-assed shell of what it could be, I declined to spend the $200 on an updated cell radio. So if I do press a button, it's for naught. Anyway, all the screen says, in essence, is that Nissan is using the aggregate data blah, blah, and if you want to use the nifty history telemetry, well, you're going to have to let the car send those data. Or not; car works just fine if you press "decline".
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- madshiva 8y agoAccept to continue and provide us an email for that we can marketing/spam you for product that you don't want
- gsich 8y agoYour friend is not the owner.
- tjoff 8y agoIf I as an owner sign an agreement to sell my soul when driving my car that doesn't automatically transfer to anyone else driving the car.
- gsich 8y agoTrue. But compare it to a computer.
- tjoff 8y agoNot sure I follow. I didn't sign anything when I got my computer and have no special obligations to anyone.
- gsich 8y agoSure you did, a contract of sale. That makes you the owner of the device. Should another person be able to access all your computers sensor data just because you let the person use your computer? Of course, this data is yours, same with the car.
- tjoff 8y agoOf course my friend can use the sensor data of my car if I let him/her. The question is whether the car company can claim that the sensor data that my friend collects while driving is theirs without informing him/her of it.
- csdreamer7 8y agoSo? You have to accept the software license agreement to use the software in the car. Esp 'self driving' software.
- Semaphor 8y agoIn Germany you'd have to accept those tos before buying, otherwise they are void (or something similar)
- TomMarius 8y agoThat makes zero sense. Does Windows EULA not apply to me if I buy an used computer? I don't think so.
- kuschku 8y agoEULA are basically void in Germany anyway, so I don't think the distinction matters much.
- thecatspaw 8y agoIf you buy a used computer, the windows license doesnt transfer with it. Ignoring that however, you cannot be bound by a EULA that you receive _after_ signing a contract. If you receive the eula before or with a contract, it may be valid
- TomMarius 8y agoOEM license does transfer. If you choose to use the product, why shouldn't you be bound by the license?
- thecatspaw 8y agoBecause at the time of purchase you havent been given access to all terms.
- tjoff 8y ago