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Sun to developers: "With Java you can write once and run anywhere!" Sun to OS vendors: "Hey, we just promised developers they can run Java on your platforms. N

by boris 16y ago

Sun to developers: "With Java you can write once and run anywhere!" Sun to OS vendors: "Hey, we just promised developers they can run Java on your platforms. Now you go make it happen!" Apple to Sun: "... you!"

pohl 16y ago
NeXT to developers: With OpenStep you can write once and run anywhere! Sun to NeXT: yeah, let's do this! Sun to developers: "With Java you can write once and run anywhere!" Sun to Lighthouse Design: Come to daddy! Sun to NeXT: buh-BYE! Sun to OS vendors: "Hey, we just promised developers they can run Java on your platforms. Now you go make it happen!" Apple to NeXT: come to daddy! NeXT to Apple: Avast ye swabbies - prepare to be boarded, arrrr! (...time passes...) Oracle to Sun: Come to daddy! Apple to Snoracle: "... you!"
- stcredzero 16y ago
  Someone should do a Flash corporate history timeline, with one of those Animation programs and animate your comments as the timeline plays.
fauigerzigerk 16y ago
The problem is not what Sun said to Apple or what any of them said to Oracle or the other way around. That's not my business. The problem is what Apple said to Java developers at a time when Apple was weak and how needlessly ruthless and brutal Apple turned against Java developers once they were strong. I'm not naive enough to see this as a moral issue. It's a quite rational and understandable business decision on Apple's part. I just doubt that treating your partners or even ex-partners like that is beneficial in the long run.
- acqq 16y ago
  > The problem is what Apple said to Java developers at a time Can anybody give any examples of businesses centered on selling apps written in Java for OSX please?
  - irons 16y ago
    Only the freakishly excellent Crashplan, whose developers put out a statement on the Java contretemps this morning: http://twitter.com/crashplan/status/28403694811 http://twitter.com/crashplan/status/28403694811 (Alas, linebreaks stripped by the website.)
    - acqq 16y ago
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crashplan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crashplan "Online Backup," "Windows XP, Vista, Windows 7, Windows Server 2003/08, Mac OS 10.4+, Linux Kernel 2.6, Solaris 10, OpenSolaris" An online backup app, free for personal use, made for all common platforms is a "businesses centered on selling apps written in Java for OSX"?
      - irons 16y ago
        You expect to find Java apps on Mac OS X which don't leverage the cross-platform angle? Crashplan is the best Java app I use on the Mac, and the Mac is a big part of their business. Apple itself uses them, from what I understand.
        acqq 16y ago
        > Apple itself uses them, from what I understand. Apple backups their own data to other's company cloud? I don't think Jobs would approve that.
        irons 16y ago
        Part of what makes CrashPlan so killer is that it's not cloud-centric. It also offers backups to local storage, backups over the internet to authorized peers, and in the pro version, centralized backups to one's own servers and storage, which is obviously what Apple uses. Check it out. It's the only offsite backup utility I know of which not only covers all the bandwidth conservation bases (compression, data de-duplication, block-level updates), but also allows you to do an initial backup to local storage, ship or transport the disk, and then continue to back up to it over the internet. And before some intrepid nerd starts waxing rhapsodic about rsync and tin cans joined with string, CrashPlan also offers a respectable UI, sensible default backup selection, end-to-end encryption, firewall traversal, email notifications, total OS agnosticism, and a free version with all of the above. Hell of a product. I have no relationship to the company except that of a satisfied customer.

by boris 16y ago

pohl 16y ago

NeXT to developers: With OpenStep you can write once and run anywhere! Sun to NeXT: yeah, let's do this! Sun to developers: "With Java you can write once and run anywhere!" Sun to Lighthouse Design: Come to daddy! Sun to NeXT: buh-BYE! Sun to OS vendors: "Hey, we just promised developers they can run Java on your platforms. Now you go make it happen!" Apple to NeXT: come to daddy! NeXT to Apple: Avast ye swabbies - prepare to be boarded, arrrr! (...time passes...) Oracle to Sun: Come to daddy! Apple to Snoracle: "... you!"

stcredzero 16y ago
Someone should do a Flash corporate history timeline, with one of those Animation programs and animate your comments as the timeline plays.

fauigerzigerk 16y ago

The problem is not what Sun said to Apple or what any of them said to Oracle or the other way around. That's not my business. The problem is what Apple said to Java developers at a time when Apple was weak and how needlessly ruthless and brutal Apple turned against Java developers once they were strong. I'm not naive enough to see this as a moral issue. It's a quite rational and understandable business decision on Apple's part. I just doubt that treating your partners or even ex-partners like that is beneficial in the long run.

acqq 16y ago
> The problem is what Apple said to Java developers at a time Can anybody give any examples of businesses centered on selling apps written in Java for OSX please?
- irons 16y ago
  Only the freakishly excellent Crashplan, whose developers put out a statement on the Java contretemps this morning: http://twitter.com/crashplan/status/28403694811 http://twitter.com/crashplan/status/28403694811 (Alas, linebreaks stripped by the website.)
  - acqq 16y ago
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crashplan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crashplan "Online Backup," "Windows XP, Vista, Windows 7, Windows Server 2003/08, Mac OS 10.4+, Linux Kernel 2.6, Solaris 10, OpenSolaris" An online backup app, free for personal use, made for all common platforms is a "businesses centered on selling apps written in Java for OSX"?
    - irons 16y ago
      You expect to find Java apps on Mac OS X which don't leverage the cross-platform angle? Crashplan is the best Java app I use on the Mac, and the Mac is a big part of their business. Apple itself uses them, from what I understand.
      - acqq 16y ago
        > Apple itself uses them, from what I understand. Apple backups their own data to other's company cloud? I don't think Jobs would approve that.
        irons 16y ago
        Part of what makes CrashPlan so killer is that it's not cloud-centric. It also offers backups to local storage, backups over the internet to authorized peers, and in the pro version, centralized backups to one's own servers and storage, which is obviously what Apple uses. Check it out. It's the only offsite backup utility I know of which not only covers all the bandwidth conservation bases (compression, data de-duplication, block-level updates), but also allows you to do an initial backup to local storage, ship or transport the disk, and then continue to back up to it over the internet. And before some intrepid nerd starts waxing rhapsodic about rsync and tin cans joined with string, CrashPlan also offers a respectable UI, sensible default backup selection, end-to-end encryption, firewall traversal, email notifications, total OS agnosticism, and a free version with all of the above. Hell of a product. I have no relationship to the company except that of a satisfied customer.