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That is the connection to government transparency. The CIA is storing massive amounts of our data somewhere, so shouldn't we have the right to know where?

danvasquez29 8y ago
I don't believe so, not if the risk to the general public is great enough.
- staticautomatic 8y ago
  The public is far more at risk with the CIA around to begin with, so long as it continues to carry out bullshit interventions around the world that so often come back to bite us. The primary impediment to enumerating these risks is the CIA's lack of transparency.
giarc 8y ago
Why? Why does knowing where it is located a "right"? I feel US citizens have a right to know who is storing the data, and the parameters they must follow. Also you should have a right to know where the data is located, as in "in the USA". But beyond that, isn't having the actual address a security concern?
ceejayoz 8y ago
I don't think the CIA's version of AWS is stored in these datacenters. It's a totally separate region, likely with special physical security measures and oversight rules. https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/publicsector/announcing-the-new-aws-secret-region/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/publicsector/announcing-the-new...
ataturk 8y ago
That isn't the only reason. Amazon, Facebook, and Google are working to take over all kinds of public information services. The very transparency of government is at risk. I keep harping on this public/private partnership that is being used to turn us into serfs. If laws prevent government from doing something, they simply push it to the private sector--they destroy our privacy and our freedom of speech. If corporations are prevented by law or by ethics from doing something, they shift it to government to enforce it on us using their monopoly on the use of force or via extraction by taxation either directly or in the form of currency devaluation. These entities could be used to uplift us, but instead we are getting a variation of what the typical Chinese citizen is up against--abject cruelty and neo-serfdom.

danvasquez29 8y ago

I don't believe so, not if the risk to the general public is great enough.

staticautomatic 8y ago
The public is far more at risk with the CIA around to begin with, so long as it continues to carry out bullshit interventions around the world that so often come back to bite us. The primary impediment to enumerating these risks is the CIA's lack of transparency.

giarc 8y ago

Why? Why does knowing where it is located a "right"? I feel US citizens have a right to know who is storing the data, and the parameters they must follow. Also you should have a right to know where the data is located, as in "in the USA". But beyond that, isn't having the actual address a security concern?

ceejayoz 8y ago

I don't think the CIA's version of AWS is stored in these datacenters. It's a totally separate region, likely with special physical security measures and oversight rules. https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/publicsector/announcing-the-new-aws-secret-region/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/publicsector/announcing-the-new...

ataturk 8y ago

That isn't the only reason. Amazon, Facebook, and Google are working to take over all kinds of public information services. The very transparency of government is at risk. I keep harping on this public/private partnership that is being used to turn us into serfs. If laws prevent government from doing something, they simply push it to the private sector--they destroy our privacy and our freedom of speech. If corporations are prevented by law or by ethics from doing something, they shift it to government to enforce it on us using their monopoly on the use of force or via extraction by taxation either directly or in the form of currency devaluation. These entities could be used to uplift us, but instead we are getting a variation of what the typical Chinese citizen is up against--abject cruelty and neo-serfdom.