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Congratulations on making Staff after only 2 years. You’d think it would be alarming to Google how often engineers leave immediately after being promoted.
by romed 8y ago
Congratulations on making Staff after only 2 years. You’d think it would be alarming to Google how often engineers leave immediately after being promoted.
- johannes1234321 8y agoWhat's the benefit of waiting for promotion and then leaving? Any benefits you gain from that? Naïvely I'd assume it'd make sense to collect some of the extra cash for a while.
- kansface 8y agoThe title is useful job hunting.
- mikereedell 8y agoFrom a strictly money perspective, you get the pay bump from the promotion, then another pay bump from changing jobs.
- romed 8y agoMaybe for some people it's a game? I have no idea. The pay isn't as progressive as their recruiters claim. A high-performing Senior SWE makes money pretty close to what a newly-promoted Staff SWE makes.
- Bahamut 8y agoBut a newly promoted staff engineer has more ability to move up in pay in annual reviews.
- romed 8y agoNot really. A newly promoted engineer is very likely to get Meets Expectations, since the criteria for promotion is nominally that the person has already been meeting expectations at the next level.
- Bahamut 8y agoYes really based on my own experience in a FAANG - if you hit the top of the pay band, your salary will go up at a minuscule percentage, even with significant outperforms ratings.
- jedberg 8y agoThe title is useful and the bump in pay makes vacation payouts worth more. Also, if you want to go back, you get to go back at the higher title at a minimum.
- drewg123 8y agoIt was in the pipeline, and it seemed silly to leave just weeks before it was in effect because: 1) If you are a regretted departure, there is a good chance you'll be hired back at your old level with a minimum of fuss. There is a pretty big difference in salary, bonus factor and probably GSU grants between L5 and L6, so I did not want to loose that advantage should I ever want to return. 2) It was a personal goal. I suck at whiteboarding, so was hired as L5 when I should probably have been L6. So I did not want to leave before I finally got to the level that I thought I should have been at all along. 3) There is an internal Google system (go/epitaphs) where you can look up an Xoogler, and it will tell you when they worked at Google, what their title was, what their level was, etc. If I ever wanted to join a startup that was being founded by Googlers, I thought it would look better if they could confirm the L6 was claiming on my resume. If I had left after the promo was announced to me, but before it was effective, it would look like I was an L5 and just spinning a story.
- motxilo 8y agoBeing a Staff Engineer vs just Senior gives you more leeway for negotiation with prospective employers.
- abc_lisper 8y agoWhy do people do this? Wont the promotion mostly pay in stock anyways?