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Doesn't the CIA have a contract with Amazon to use AWS?

by sschueller 8y ago

fenk85 8y ago
Also Wikileaks have been taken over by Russian intelligence as tool in their cyber warfare operations
azinman2 8y ago
So?
- pageandrew 8y ago
  That is the connection to government transparency. The CIA is storing massive amounts of our data somewhere, so shouldn't we have the right to know where?
  - danvasquez29 8y ago
    I don't believe so, not if the risk to the general public is great enough.
    - staticautomatic 8y ago
      The public is far more at risk with the CIA around to begin with, so long as it continues to carry out bullshit interventions around the world that so often come back to bite us. The primary impediment to enumerating these risks is the CIA's lack of transparency.
  - giarc 8y ago
    Why? Why does knowing where it is located a "right"? I feel US citizens have a right to know who is storing the data, and the parameters they must follow. Also you should have a right to know where the data is located, as in "in the USA". But beyond that, isn't having the actual address a security concern?
  - ceejayoz 8y ago
    I don't think the CIA's version of AWS is stored in these datacenters. It's a totally separate region, likely with special physical security measures and oversight rules. https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/publicsector/announcing-the-new-aws-secret-region/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/publicsector/announcing-the-new...
  - ataturk 8y ago
    That isn't the only reason. Amazon, Facebook, and Google are working to take over all kinds of public information services. The very transparency of government is at risk. I keep harping on this public/private partnership that is being used to turn us into serfs. If laws prevent government from doing something, they simply push it to the private sector--they destroy our privacy and our freedom of speech. If corporations are prevented by law or by ethics from doing something, they shift it to government to enforce it on us using their monopoly on the use of force or via extraction by taxation either directly or in the form of currency devaluation. These entities could be used to uplift us, but instead we are getting a variation of what the typical Chinese citizen is up against--abject cruelty and neo-serfdom.
sova 8y ago
https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/publicsector/announcing-the-new-aws-secret-region/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/publicsector/announcing-the-new...
jsjohnst 8y ago
Yes, the US government does, but the AWS Cloud for government is mostly (entirely?) not included here. This list is also highly incomplete otherwise unrelated to government as well (us-east-2 region isn't covered at all for example).

Doesn't the CIA have a contract with Amazon to use AWS?

fenk85 8y ago

Also Wikileaks have been taken over by Russian intelligence as tool in their cyber warfare operations

azinman2 8y ago

So?

pageandrew 8y ago
That is the connection to government transparency. The CIA is storing massive amounts of our data somewhere, so shouldn't we have the right to know where?
- danvasquez29 8y ago
  I don't believe so, not if the risk to the general public is great enough.
  - staticautomatic 8y ago
    The public is far more at risk with the CIA around to begin with, so long as it continues to carry out bullshit interventions around the world that so often come back to bite us. The primary impediment to enumerating these risks is the CIA's lack of transparency.
- giarc 8y ago
  Why? Why does knowing where it is located a "right"? I feel US citizens have a right to know who is storing the data, and the parameters they must follow. Also you should have a right to know where the data is located, as in "in the USA". But beyond that, isn't having the actual address a security concern?
- ceejayoz 8y ago
  I don't think the CIA's version of AWS is stored in these datacenters. It's a totally separate region, likely with special physical security measures and oversight rules. https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/publicsector/announcing-the-new-aws-secret-region/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/publicsector/announcing-the-new...
- ataturk 8y ago
  That isn't the only reason. Amazon, Facebook, and Google are working to take over all kinds of public information services. The very transparency of government is at risk. I keep harping on this public/private partnership that is being used to turn us into serfs. If laws prevent government from doing something, they simply push it to the private sector--they destroy our privacy and our freedom of speech. If corporations are prevented by law or by ethics from doing something, they shift it to government to enforce it on us using their monopoly on the use of force or via extraction by taxation either directly or in the form of currency devaluation. These entities could be used to uplift us, but instead we are getting a variation of what the typical Chinese citizen is up against--abject cruelty and neo-serfdom.

sova 8y ago

https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/publicsector/announcing-the-new-aws-secret-region/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/publicsector/announcing-the-new...

jsjohnst 8y ago

Yes, the US government does, but the AWS Cloud for government is mostly (entirely?) not included here. This list is also highly incomplete otherwise unrelated to government as well (us-east-2 region isn't covered at all for example).